From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.105]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B99BBC8 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:03:08 +0100 (CET) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4CAH8TrknOvicymWdsb2JhbACCHYpOhmyBKQEBAQEBCAsKBxGwdoEHKgiPdgEEAgGCTQiBMAY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,301,1233529200"; d="scan'208";a="36080316" Received: from web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.39.50]) by mail4-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with SMTP; 04 Mar 2009 14:39:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 43816 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2009 13:39:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1236173996; bh=liVs3Aw5XAsciicwRQpPlEm5DAfelrPxvnZ0Togfb6Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=P10KQ2fi4bR1NakiNfzU3/UxRu69oHywC+JJrGhb+8sniQFyMI8plxRIM4ISW8vpqUCngii+dfhe8RJLF425R0IQkGlTMDWOT0lv8d1d0UG+l+onVkbs2Hp2VnZKD5+9+EmpKrXtRbvJn13d2OQ9TGcLprFPS4fLnhH1llRwOYU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K6wG118M6+xxLvO/f0vAbGjYIY9dRDiTSsD/sx3/7F1DY5RUiXoUTzKu0Qf59tG89jUD7DXKG/jslFAJIjeWcMaKbaLMJEYNl6K0Jc7noSKm0q+8minVbTL5Lm5yRMZGmx1A3msw2mTGXEplGjQTZxqVpIP/i1Ur9c9pNZKzwuw=; Message-ID: <942156.43639.qm@web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JWENszgVM1kVkF2ubOzIiHWaluJ4pa2ePykydsiH8fWqdK7s2BHeleYbYFctdz27h3sWmNJlbq2V3yKMHck_Qd7MAyZA4AGtXrHnl3YMw0vVwR1Yir9mXS3nwszUPFS1NukBtrVc2NtHK5Ugh1SZW6PvDF4d.6.o8lzO6sxnyqx8goFZkB0hDSOoFdl5Hdw6rTOYA28Mp3_F5ygcbhmHX7QWlc2Rhm85phyXn6R7lWPM.Hr5KP.v Received: from [151.199.18.167] by web54112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:39:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:39:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Keith Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch) To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 ocaml:01 o'reilly:01 criticizing:01 beginner's:01 bug:01 blog:98 2009:98 elders:98 frog:98 beginners:01 wrote:01 wrote:01 caml-list:01 caml-list:01 Something seems to be wrong with the list, this is the 18th copy of this on= e message I have received! I am receiving 2 to 4 copies of most messages.= =0A=0A -EdK=0A=0AEd Keith=0Ae_d_k@yahoo.com=0A=0ABlog: edkeith.blogspot.= com=0A=0A--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Jon Harrop wrote:=0A= =0AFrom: Jon Harrop =0ASubject: Re: [Caml-list] The = new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming=09Language by Tim Rentsch)=0ATo:= caml-list@yquem.inria.fr=0ADate: Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:29 PM=0A=0A=0A--= ---Inline Attachment Follows-----=0A=0AOn Monday 02 March 2009 18:37:41 Xav= ier Leroy wrote:=0A> > Overall, I can't help seeing that any author who isn= 't known on this=0A> > list ends up with a questionable book -- first Smith= and now Rentsch.=0A> > Perhaps the elders should form a book vetting commi= ttee?=0A>=0A> Well, the power to decide is in the hands of publishers (init= ially)=0A> and customers (later).=A0 But I can assure you that reputable pu= blishing=0A> houses like Springer, Cambridge University Press or MIT Press = do=0A> sollicit opinions from academics like me and take them into account.= =0A> Their area editors attend major conferences like Principles of=0A> Pro= gramming Languages and it's always a pleasure to chat with them.=0A> But th= ere isn't much that can be done with less reputable publishers=0A> and self= -publishing, as Alexy remarked.=0A=0AI would advise against getting convent= ional publishers involved at all and =0Awould, instead, strongly advocate s= elf-publishing because of the freedom and =0Aefficiency that it offers. Ind= eed, the only reason Jason Hickey's book has =0Anot been published is becau= se CUP were challenged with the task.=0A=0AOn a related note, why was the E= nglish translation of the book "Developing =0Aapplications with Objective C= aml" not published by O'Reilly?=0A=0A> Coming back to the Hickey/Rentsch bo= ok(s), I feel deeply sad about=0A> the mess that is unfolding on this list.= =A0 I proofread a draft of Jason=0A> Hickey's book, at his request, and fou= nd it very good and just what=0A> the OCaml community is still missing: a w= ell-written, English-language=0A> book on Caml appropriate both as a refere= nce and as teaching material.=0A> (I'm not criticizing the other books in e= nglish on OCaml -- thanks God=0A> they exist! -- just noting that they don'= t quite fit this exact purpose.)=0A> What we now have is lawsuit material..= .=A0 I sincerely hope some kind of=0A> agreement can still be found at this= point.=0A=0AI see no reason for a lawsuit. Jason Hickey simply needs to re= move Tim =0ARentsch's contributions, remove him from the acknowledgements a= nd publish =0Awhat's left. Given the size of the book, that will only take = about a month.=0A=0AIf he already signed copyright over to CUP then he also= needs to make minimal =0Achanges to evade copyright infringement (which th= ey will not attempt to =0Aenforce in the absence of any profits from sales = anyway) and publish it =0Aelsewhere.=0A=0AEither way I see no reason why th= e OCaml community cannot benefit from yet =0Aanother great book on OCaml in= the near future.=0A=0AI agree that this text would also fill a valuable pl= ace in the spectrum of =0AOCaml books. The contents are clearly ideal for s= tudents but would also give =0Acomputer science graduates an extensive theo= retical understanding of OCaml.=0A=0A-- =0ADr Jon Harrop, Flying Frog Consu= ltancy Ltd.=0Ahttp://www.ffconsultancy.com/?e=0A=0A________________________= _______________________=0ACaml-list mailing list. Subscription management:= =0Ahttp://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list=0AArchives: htt= p://caml.inria.fr=0ABeginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_be= ginners=0ABug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs=0A=0A=0A=0A