From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76A3381799 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:37:13 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of daniel.buenzli@erratique.ch) identity=pra; client-ip=74.55.86.74; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="daniel.buenzli@erratique.ch"; x-sender="daniel.buenzli@erratique.ch"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of daniel.buenzli@erratique.ch) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=74.55.86.74; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="daniel.buenzli@erratique.ch"; x-sender="daniel.buenzli@erratique.ch"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@smtp.webfaction.com) identity=helo; client-ip=74.55.86.74; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="daniel.buenzli@erratique.ch"; x-sender="postmaster@smtp.webfaction.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8DAKut71FKN1ZKemdsb2JhbABbgzyDWL13gSwOAQEJDQoIEiqCJQEFI0wKEAsaAiYCAkcQBhsMh3wEp0CRVYEojh8zB4JfM24DnW8Tjj8 X-IPAS-Result: Aq8DAKut71FKN1ZKemdsb2JhbABbgzyDWL13gSwOAQEJDQoIEiqCJQEFI0wKEAsaAiYCAkcQBhsMh3wEp0CRVYEojh8zB4JfM24DnW8Tjj8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,734,1367964000"; d="scan'208";a="27138363" Received: from mail6.webfaction.com (HELO smtp.webfaction.com) ([74.55.86.74]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2013 12:36:57 +0200 Received: from [192.168.14.157] (unknown [62.49.66.12]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D7521C3BD1; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:30:44 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Daniel_B=C3=BCnzli?= To: Jun Furuse Cc: Fabrice Le Fessant , Francois Berenger , caml-list Message-ID: <97680ACED5B448E7B55C02312D72375F@erratique.ch> In-Reply-To: References: <1e141e2803d9dec6a8231dd4f16dd173.squirrel@gps.dynxs.de> <20130723090713.GA9274@notk.org> <51EF33FE.2060407@riken.jp> X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.4 (build 1178) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down Le mercredi, 24 juillet 2013 =C3=A0 09:42, Jun Furuse a =C3=A9crit : > Have you discussed your idea of OPAM with Gerd or GODI community before s= tarting the project? Was there no way of working together, to improve GODI,= or invite Gerd to OPAM development? I'm sorry but these questions are pointless.=20=20 Since when do we have to ask for permissions to start new projects ? Since = when do we have to cooperate with other people making a similar system if w= e have divergent vision of what we want ? I think that Francois Berenger ma= de a few good points on why you may want to start a new project.=20=20 Sure, what happens most of the time when an individual says I'm not happy w= ith your system I'm going to implement my own, he fails badly because he do= esn't actually understand the work/complexity involved. People tend to see = that as a wasted time, wasted time for the "community" bla bla, but I don't= , that's the way you learn. In that case it wasn't a failure and, at least for me, I'm now given a syst= em I actually enjoy working with from a *technical* and *usability* perspec= tive both as a package user and as a package developer. It has nothing to d= o with a supposed marketing campaign that I never saw. I tried the damn thi= ng, liked it, considered the efforts that are being put in it and decided t= o use it. I find it strange that for quite sometime we had other individuals working = on a similar concurrent project (oasis-db) and nobody every screamed at the= m. That project never delivered and now that we have people actually delive= ring we should scream at them ? I tried godi a very long time ago and was not happy about the centralized w= orkflow, maybe that changed I don't know. I then used odb for sometime beca= use it was working for the simple things I did and it was easy to hack with= or provide your own package sources but I still saw it as a quick hack ---= albeit a very useful one for the time it served me, thanks to Edgar Friend= ly. Now I use opam and while there are still a few things that needs to be iron= ed out for my development practice. I think that for myself it will eventua= lly be of great help to manage the growing collection of packages I provide= and streamline my release process and admin time.=20=20 Best, Daniel