From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id AAA31003; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:30:42 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA31095 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:30:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from sus-ca3it02.rational.com (ext-20001.rational.com [130.213.2.5] (may be forged)) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA8NUcX11138 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:30:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from 172.19.60.36 by sus-ca3it02.rational.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:30:37 -0800 Received: by sus-ca3it02.rational.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4K5NX4QB>; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:30:37 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Bauer, Robert" To: Caml Subject: [Caml-list] odyssey Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:30:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk Mark, Exactly. The problems and issues with respect to complicated software aren't solved by simplying switching to a "new" language. Granted languages can make one more (or less) productive, can eliminate (and create) entire classes of problems. I am a proponent of formal methods; I routinely use model checkers to validate complex, concurrent processes, etc. In my experience with large distributed systems (1024+ nodes each with upto 64 smp processors on each node), if you get the protocol right (I mean verified through rigorous proof) you get to deal with broken operating systems, broken i/o interfaces, broken compilers. So, on this odyssey, one would expect to go on a long, dangerous journey just to find out what mirror might have been able to suggest about where the problem lies. But of course one goes on the "quest" to build character, strength, knowledge, and wisdom, so hopefully when you do return you won't need the mirror. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wotton [mailto:mrak@cs.usyd.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:18 PM Cc: Caml Subject: RE: [Caml-list] Jihad What, a long, dangerous journey just to get back to where you started? :) mrak On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Bauer, Robert wrote: > I would be in favor of "odessy" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vitaly Lugovsky [mailto:vsl@ontil.ihep.su] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:17 PM > To: Dave Berry > Cc: Elan; Caml > Subject: RE: [Caml-list] Jihad > > > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Dave Berry wrote: > > > Perhaps Eric should try the word "Crusade" instead ;-) > > It's not the same in a theological point of view. Crusade is a violence, > war for territory, when the original muslims "jihad" is a war for > thyself, to improve thyself. But, sure, all religions sucks a lot. ;) > > > > ------------------- > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: > http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ > To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: > http://caml.inria.fr > ------------------- > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ > To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr > -- ------------------- Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr ------------------- Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr