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From: bluestorm <bluestorm.dylc@gmail.com>
To: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
Cc: Thanassis Tsiodras <ttsiodras@gmail.com>, caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Is OCaml fast?
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:36:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=nsgA3qEmpj0=89AodNN4M1tru+WJSsyYJ0ZqV@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1290434674.16005.354.camel@thinkpad>

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On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>wrote:

> I think the shootout is not a good data source. There are definitely
> some very poor Ocaml results there, so I'd guess the shootout got
> recently more attention by enthusiasts of other languages, and the
> current Ocaml programs there are not very good. (I remember Ocaml was #1
> at the shootout a few years ago, faster than C.) So maybe a good
> opportunity to post better Ocaml solutions there?
>

As Sylvain noticed, some (in not most) of the OCaml poor performances in the
shootout are actually not due to bad OCaml programs, but to arbitrary
restrictions in the shootout rules. For example, one of the bad-performing
benchmark for OCaml is the binary-tree benchmark, where it is nearly four
times slower than C, but on closer inspection you discover that this is due
to the arbitrary choice to forbid any change of the GC parameters. With
appropriate GC parameters, the very same OCaml program is exactly as fast as
C.

http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/performance.php?test=binarytrees

« Note: these programs are being measured with *the default initial heap
size* - the measurements may be very different with a larger initial heap
size or GC tuning. »
C version : 12.11 secs
OCaml version : 47.22 secs
OCaml version with GC parameters tuned ("interesting alternative" section) :
12.67 secs


Therefore, there is nothing that can be changed to the OCaml submission for
this benchmark to improve performances, except changing the default GC
parameters; while this might be a good idea in general, changing it only for
the sake of shootout-obsessed people is ridiculous.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-22 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-22 13:21 Thanassis Tsiodras
2010-11-22 13:35 ` [Caml-list] " Gregory Bellier
2010-11-22 13:39   ` Lukasz Stafiniak
2010-11-22 13:42   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2010-11-22 13:43 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-11-22 13:55 ` [Caml-list] " Dario Teixeira
2010-11-23  2:11   ` Isaac Gouy
     [not found]   ` <999386690.746882.1290478813177.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-23  9:12     ` [Caml-list] " Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-23 17:56       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 19:54         ` [Caml-list] " Mark Diekhans
2010-11-23 20:04           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 22:56   ` [Caml-list] " oliver
2010-11-23 23:54     ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-24  1:24       ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-11-25 11:17         ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-22 14:04 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-22 14:22   ` [was: Re: Is OCaml fast?] OCaml Shootout task force Sylvain Le Gall
2010-11-22 14:36   ` bluestorm [this message]
2010-11-22 15:01     ` [Caml-list] Is OCaml fast? Török Edwin
2010-11-22 15:54       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-11-22 15:02     ` Gerd Stolpmann
     [not found]     ` <582306206.731582.1290438133628.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-22 16:46       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-22 18:33         ` Török Edwin
2010-11-27 21:11           ` Pierre Etchemaïté
2010-11-28 13:26             ` OCaml GC [was Is OCaml fast?] Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-28 14:29               ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2010-11-28 18:57                 ` Eray Ozkural
2010-11-28 19:40                   ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-28 19:59                     ` Benedikt Meurer
2010-11-28 23:34                       ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-29 12:11                         ` Benedikt Meurer
2010-11-29 22:27                 ` Török Edwin
     [not found]                 ` <916556265.243293.1291069665032.JavaMail.root@zmbs1.inria.fr>
2010-12-02 12:57                   ` Damien Doligez
2010-12-02 15:07                     ` Török Edwin
2010-12-03 21:42                       ` [Caml-list] optimizing caml_modify [was OCaml GC [was Is OCaml fast?]] ygrek
2010-11-23  2:03     ` Is OCaml fast? Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 10:37       ` [Caml-list] " Christophe TROESTLER
2010-11-23 15:50         ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-23 18:06           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 21:34             ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2010-11-23 16:08         ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-23 18:03           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 19:14             ` [Caml-list] " Török Edwin
2010-11-23 20:17               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 21:14             ` [Caml-list] " Christophe TROESTLER
2010-11-23 21:55               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 22:25             ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2010-11-24  0:11               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 17:53         ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 19:24           ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-23 20:28             ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 20:55               ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-23 21:32                 ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 22:28             ` [Caml-list] " Goswin von Brederlow
2010-11-23 23:21           ` evil sloot
2010-11-24  6:54             ` [Caml-list] " David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-22 17:02   ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2010-11-22 17:08     ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-22 17:23       ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-22 17:54         ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-22 23:55         ` Jeff Schultz
2010-11-22 23:28       ` Eray Ozkural
2010-11-23  2:01       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 23:27         ` [Caml-list] " oliver
2010-11-24  0:23           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24  1:36             ` [Caml-list] " Eray Ozkural
2010-11-24  2:13               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24  4:39                 ` [Caml-list] " Jeff Meister
2010-11-24  6:22                   ` Andrew
2010-11-24  7:16                     ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24  6:50                   ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 10:24                     ` [Caml-list] " Christophe Troestler
2010-11-24 11:33                       ` Eray Ozkural
2010-11-24 17:32                       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 17:57                         ` [Caml-list] " Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-24 19:07                         ` Ed Keith
2010-11-24 19:13                           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 19:17                             ` [Caml-list] " David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-24 22:25                               ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-25 16:59                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-25 18:21                     ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-25 22:11                     ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
     [not found]                     ` <1534555381.33107.1290723160355.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-25 22:50                       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-26 20:25                         ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-27 18:55                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-28 18:14                         ` [Caml-list] " oliver
2010-11-29 14:19                           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-29 16:12                             ` Threading and SharedMem (Re: [Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?) Oliver Bandel
2010-11-29 16:24                               ` Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-29 16:33                                 ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-27 15:58                     ` [Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast? Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-28 18:17                       ` oliver
2010-11-29  7:33                         ` Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-29 11:25                           ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-29 11:44                             ` oliver
2010-11-29 17:29                               ` Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-24  6:55               ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-24  7:23                 ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23  2:06   ` Isaac Gouy
     [not found] ` <1110536178.728445.1290434684177.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-22 16:39   ` [Caml-list] " Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-22 17:21     ` Philippe Strauss
2010-11-22 18:33 ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-23  1:58 ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 10:29 ` [Caml-list] " David Allsopp
2010-11-24 18:39   ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 20:59     ` [Caml-list] " David Allsopp
2010-11-25  0:16       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 14:07 ` [Caml-list] " Cedric Cellier
2010-11-24 14:34 ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-11-24 15:30   ` Thanassis Tsiodras
2010-11-24 16:26     ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-24 16:27     ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-11-24 18:16 ` Isaac Gouy

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