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From: ben kuin <benkuin@gmail.com>
To: Vincent Aravantinos <vincent.aravantinos@gmail.com>,
	caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 22:08:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTikhXrBI2vfiBFzLu1Cy9JUJUH0zWA6JoLNpcVsz@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0E1811BF-59F6-4531-8A65-67B60A4F345D@gmail.com>

> Isn't this precisely the aim of Jon's hlvm
> (www.ffconsultancy.com/ocaml/hlvm/)?

that's an interesting question, Here are a few thoughts:

technical:
- in .NET everything is easy (from the surface): you have your source
file (hello.cs) you take your compiler (cs.exe) and compile it to a
msil bytecode file (hello.dll). You can run reflection tools to
hello.dll or link it to a exe or generate back to source.  This
bytecodefile is your friend. You can run it on a bunch of runtimes
like .net clr, or on mono, or rotor, or dotgnu. You can register
libraries in a container to prevent versioning problems with future
releases. I couldn't figure out those equivalents int hlvm or llvm.

- with HLVM things are complex (for me): What is the role of the big
underlying llvm infrastructure. Why do even need hlvm if we have llvm
plus ocaml bindings. Does hlvm has its own bytecode? If yes where is
it specified? Is hlvm a ocaml library or is it a free standing vm?
etc.

Maybe for you these a trivial questions, but I still dont get it,
while with .net I never had problem to get the idea.


licensing:
Hlvm is driven by a company and its landing page is on a companies
website and one of its protagonists is smart *and* business savvy.
What if hlvm would really take off, could they set it free and move
the homepage to sourceforge ? Right now it's bsd licensed, maybe
tomorow it's dual licenced like Qi? Or maybe the license some (future)
killer features under a closed license?
This is just guessing - I don't want to spread fud. But as a former
.net developer I followed mono from the beginning and I'm very
disappointed that mono is still not considered as a friendly linux
citicen. All because of some half-clear license issues.

But sure hlvm is impressive and could be the solution.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-14 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-05 12:06 ben kuin
2010-05-05 14:19 ` [Caml-list] " Alain Frisch
     [not found]   ` <i2sc0c8bc8b1005051446q34b07d37xc4021d2b4b23d4e2@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <4BE28085.5090100@lexifi.com>
2010-05-06 10:59       ` ben kuin
2010-05-05 18:58 ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-05 19:16   ` Ed Keith
2010-05-05 20:15     ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-05 22:13     ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-05 22:36       ` ben kuin
2010-05-05 23:13         ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-06 10:45           ` ben kuin
2010-05-06 14:38         ` Tim Hanson
2010-05-05 22:18     ` ben kuin
2010-05-06 11:13       ` Ed Keith
2010-05-06 10:43     ` Dmitry Bely
2010-05-06 16:33       ` Peng Zang
2010-05-07  7:26         ` Dmitry Bely
2010-05-07  8:25           ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-05-10 21:53         ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2010-05-11 11:22           ` ben kuin
2010-05-11 16:39             ` Peng Zang
2010-05-11 17:35               ` Raoul Duke
2010-05-11 23:47               ` ben kuin
2010-05-12  1:57                 ` Peng Zang
2010-05-12 11:56               ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-11 17:38             ` Raoul Duke
2010-05-12 12:28             ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-12 13:11               ` forum
2010-05-14 10:40                 ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-14 10:58                   ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-14 11:51                     ` forum
2010-05-14 11:51                   ` forum
2010-05-16 20:31                     ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-17  7:53                       ` forum
2010-05-19  0:17                         ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-19  7:46                           ` forum
2010-05-19 11:29                             ` Michael Ekstrand
2010-05-19 13:27                               ` [Caml-list] " Eray Ozkural
2010-05-19 13:35                                 ` David Allsopp
2010-05-19 15:23                                   ` Erick Tryzelaar
2010-05-19 16:49                                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-19 16:48                                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-20  2:03                             ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2010-05-14 13:55                   ` Ed Keith
2010-05-14 15:17                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-14 16:26                     ` ben kuin
2010-05-14 16:32                       ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-14 20:08                         ` ben kuin [this message]
2010-05-14 21:28                           ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-05-14 21:29                             ` [Caml-list] " Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-14 23:51                             ` ben kuin
2010-05-15  0:48                           ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2010-05-14 18:11                       ` Raoul Duke
2010-05-14 18:59                         ` ben kuin
     [not found]                           ` <AANLkTik-EuZRmX8VKMdAIsO_t8JGHvS6F9TPVLkohed8@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-14 21:42                             ` Fwd: " Raoul Duke
2010-05-14 21:47                               ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-14 21:57                                 ` Raoul Duke
2010-05-15  0:16                                 ` ben kuin
2010-05-15  0:43                                   ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-05-15  2:16                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-15 21:27                                       ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-16  3:19                                         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-15  9:45                                     ` ben kuin
2010-05-15 12:07                                       ` Ed Keith
2010-05-15 12:17                                       ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-05-15 13:21                                         ` ben kuin
2010-05-15 22:18                                           ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-05-15 23:39                                             ` ben kuin
2010-05-16  3:23                                             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-15 13:23                                       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-15 21:45                                       ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-05-15 21:44                               ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-15 22:25                                 ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-05-16  2:04                                   ` Jon Harrop
2010-05-16  3:20                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-16 17:50                                     ` Eray Ozkural
2010-05-16 19:15                                       ` ben kuin
2010-05-05 21:59   ` ben kuin

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