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From: bluestorm <bluestorm.dylc@gmail.com>
To: Jeremy Bem <jeremy1@gmail.com>
Cc: Nicolas Pouillard <nicolas.pouillard@gmail.com>,
	caml-list List <caml-list@yquem.inria.fr>,
	Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] interest in a much simpler, but modern, Caml?
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 23:47:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTimoAn8PNOW2X+eTYPQneKQertH-K__Q63mU9T7x@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinPp4njJm+PH1EfURubPcKi-Y8UZd1p7yODjAJ7@mail.gmail.com>

>> > > Is there a better approach to polymorphic equality floating around?
>> >
>> > Besides type classes?  I'm not sure.  It's probably possible to remove
>> > this feature from the language, with a little bit of syntactic
>> > overhead to pass around a matching comparison function.
>>
>> Yes for instance the very concise local opening notation comes in handy
>> here:
>>
>> if Int.(x = 42) then ... else ...
>
> That's very nice.  I don't think type classes are conservative enough for
> this project, but this comes very close indeed.
> I haven't really had a chance to explore OCaml 3.12 yet, as it came out
> while I was working on this, but I will give this serious consideration.

This approach is very nice indeed, but to make it practical you have
to have one of the two following features :
- a more restricted form of "open" statement that does not blindly
import *all* the module values
- nested modules

If you don't have any of these, you have to declare infix operators
directly inside the module. You'd have a "val (=) : int -> int ->
bool" in the "int.ml" file for example. That's notoriously painful to
handle if you use the "open" statement : a bunch of "open" statements
in a non-careful order and your infix operators become unusable
because you don't know anymore where they come from. What you really
need is some form of "explicit open", à la Python or Haskell, such as
"from Int import (mod, of_char, to_char)" instead of the full open :
only a few identifiers are unqualified, and you still use Int.(=),
Int.(+) instead of polluting the global namespace.

The other way to solve the problem is to put the dangerous infix
operators into a submodule, eg. Infix or Ops. You have a Int module
with int-specific functions that are not likely to silently conflict
with values of other modules, and an Int.Infix module meant to be used
in that "local open" form : Int.Infix(x + 1 = 2).


  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-08 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-06  4:04 Jeremy Bem
2010-08-06 13:50 ` [Caml-list] " Eray Ozkural
2010-08-08 17:59 ` Florian Weimer
2010-08-08 18:44   ` Jeremy Bem
2010-08-08 18:52     ` Florian Weimer
2010-08-08 19:39       ` Jeremy Bem
2010-08-09 11:55         ` Nicolas Pouillard
2010-08-11 13:00         ` Jon Harrop
2010-08-08 20:53       ` Nicolas Pouillard
2010-08-08 20:59         ` Jeremy Bem
2010-08-08 21:47           ` bluestorm [this message]
2010-08-08 23:00             ` Christophe TROESTLER
2010-08-08 23:29             ` Jeremy Bem
2010-08-11 13:02               ` Jon Harrop
2010-08-12  0:21                 ` Jeremy Bem
2010-08-12 23:14                   ` Jon Harrop
2010-08-09 13:10             ` David House
2010-08-09 14:03               ` Nicolas Pouillard
2010-08-08 20:52     ` Nicolas Pouillard
2010-08-11 12:56     ` Jon Harrop
2010-08-09  6:37 ivan chollet
2010-08-09 10:54 ` Cedric Cellier
2010-08-09 15:00 ` ivan chollet
2010-08-09 15:03 ` ivan chollet
2010-08-11 13:19 ` Jon Harrop
2010-08-11 16:12   ` philippe
2010-08-12  6:56   ` ivan chollet

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