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From: j h woodyatt <jhw@conjury.org>
To: The Caml Trade <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Array 4 MB size limit
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:41:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B8687BBF-2014-4E0E-A0DD-9D66FD63100B@conjury.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0605200930130.10710@localhost.localdomain>

On May 20, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Brian Hurt wrote:
>
> Consider the classic programming pattern of reading the entire file  
> into a list (or array) of strings.  [...] boom- welcome to the 4G  
> limit.  Heck, you have to do special incantations just to open and  
> read a file that big, let only trying to store the whole thing in  
> memory.  This is why I claim that once hard disks start getting  
> larger than the address space, the address space needs to increase.

Sounds like it's an *anti*-pattern to me.  The offset parameter to  
mmap(2) is there for a reason.

There is, however, another interesting point I hope the Caml team at  
INRIA keeps in mind.  I hear rumors that 64-bit processes on  
[redacted] may not have access to all the application support  
libraries.  Some of them, e.g. [redacted] and [redacted], may only be  
available to 32-bit processes-- for technical reasons, not business  
reasons.  The engineering resources to make the libraries available  
to 64-bit processes are there, but the technical case for making 64- 
bit versions of the libraries is apparently losing.  At least for the  
time being.  I would be unsurprised if technical decisions like this  
are happening all over the application services programming world.

What this tells me is that 64-bit hardware and 64-bit operating  
systems will very likely continue to have 32-bit processes running on  
them for some time to come.  We will be living with 32-bit address  
spaces for many years after everyone gets 64-bit operating systems  
and 64-bit desktop machines.

All that said, I've got little sympathy for the critics on this  
issue.  The 4 MB array size limit is a fact of OCaml life, but  
there's a reasonable workaround that will get most application  
programmers around it, i.e. careful use of Bigarray.  The 4G size  
limit is another story altogether, and it will plague everyone  
equally-- not just the OCaml world.


—
j h woodyatt <jhw@conjury.org>




  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-20 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-15 18:12 akalin
2006-05-15 18:22 ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas Cannasse
2006-05-15 20:32 ` Damien Doligez
2006-05-15 21:27   ` akalin
2006-05-15 22:51 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-16  0:48 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-16  9:57   ` Damien Doligez
2006-05-16 15:10     ` Markus Mottl
2006-05-16  8:01 ` Xavier Leroy
2006-05-16  8:20   ` Nicolas Cannasse
2006-05-19 17:13     ` Xavier Leroy
2006-05-19  5:57   ` Frederick Akalin
2006-05-19  6:21     ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-19 12:15     ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-19 19:36       ` akalin
2006-05-19 20:17         ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-19 16:28     ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-19 20:08       ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-19 21:26       ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-20  1:06         ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-20 18:32           ` brogoff
2006-05-20 21:29             ` immutable strings II ([Caml-list] Array 4 MB size limit) Oliver Bandel
2006-05-22 22:09               ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-05-20 21:11           ` immutable strings (Re: [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2006-05-25  4:32             ` immutable strings (Re: " Stefan Monnier
2006-05-25  5:56               ` [Caml-list] " Martin Jambon
2006-05-25  7:23                 ` j h woodyatt
2006-05-25 10:22                   ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-25 19:28                   ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-25 11:14                 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-25 19:42                   ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-26  6:51                   ` Alain Frisch
2006-05-25 17:31                 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-05-25 19:54                   ` Martin Jambon
2006-05-25 11:18               ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-25 17:34                 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-05-25 18:44                   ` Tom
2006-05-25 23:00                     ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-25 23:15                       ` Martin Jambon
2006-05-20  0:57       ` [Caml-list] Array 4 MB size limit Brian Hurt
2006-05-20  1:17         ` Frederick Akalin
2006-05-20  1:52           ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-20  9:08             ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 10:12               ` skaller
2006-05-20 11:06                 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 12:02                   ` skaller
2006-05-20 21:42                 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-21  1:24                   ` skaller
2006-05-21 14:10                     ` Oliver Bandel
     [not found]               ` <Pine.LNX.4.63.0605200847530.10710@localhost.localdomain>
2006-05-20 19:52                 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 21:45                   ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-21  9:26           ` Richard Jones
     [not found]             ` <5CE30707-5DCE-4A22-970E-A49C36F9C901@akalin.cx>
2006-05-22 10:40               ` Richard Jones
2006-05-20 10:51         ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 14:22           ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-20 18:41             ` j h woodyatt [this message]
2006-05-20 19:37               ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-20 20:47             ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-26 18:34             ` Ken Rose
2006-05-20 22:07           ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-20 15:15         ` Don Syme
2006-05-20 22:15           ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-21  1:25             ` skaller

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