From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id VAA13998; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:22:54 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14638 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:22:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from wetware.wetware.com (wetware.wetware.com [199.108.16.1]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h1OKMqT11114 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:22:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from wetware.com(ra08.wetware.com[199.108.16.88]) (2420 bytes) by wetware.wetware.com via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:22:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.114 2001-Aug-6 #1 built 2002-Sep-2) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:22:52 -0800 Subject: [Caml-list] off-topic: apple and bsd (was Re: User library license) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: james woodyatt To: The Trade Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3E5A69E9.4010306@ucdavis.edu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk [sincere apologies for the off-topic message] On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 10:52 US/Pacific, Issac Trotts wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: >> >> The problem with that is that anyone can take your work, modify it, >> and >> don't give anything back, look at apple for example, they took the BSD >> kernel, and don't give anything back. I think licencing is the main >> reason they choose a BSD kernel over a linux one back then. I suppose >> some people (including me) would not be willing to contribute code >> under >> these circunstances, so i don't think it would be best for the >> project, >> since the aim is to put in common the code. > > It would be more accurate to say that they "copied" the BSD kernel. > "Taking" > usually means that the one who had it no longer has it. Why should it > matter > if they use information so long as they don't take away other people's > freedom > to use it? It would also improve the accuracy of the statement if the phrase "and don't give anything back" were elided. Apple has released the source code for the Darwin OS, i.e. the BSD kernel and userland applications ported to Apple's not-quite-a-microkernel-anymore variant of the Mach microkernel that serves as a foundation for Mac OS X. There are Darwin OS developers who are not Apple employees. They have their own agendas, and they consider their interests served by cooperating with Apple in the development of the core of Mac OS X. The primary difference between the BSD License and the current Apple Public Source License is that the latter sports a layer of legal armor designed to ward off frivolous IP lawsuits against a publicly traded corporation with billions of dollars in liquid cash assets. [If anyone wishes to dispute this, please message me directly.] -- j h woodyatt ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners