From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E19817FBC5 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 19:38:18 +0100 (CET) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of examachine@gmail.com) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.212.176; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="examachine@gmail.com"; x-sender="examachine@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: domain of examachine@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.176 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.212.176; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="examachine@gmail.com"; x-sender="examachine@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-wi0-f176.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.212.176; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="examachine@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-wi0-f176.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4BAHBwsVTRVdSwlGdsb2JhbABbg1hYBIMBsD0BBoJ1hAKJYIFphXECgQIHQwEBAQEBEQEBAQEHCwsJEjCEDAEBAQMBEhEdARsRDAEDAQsGBQsDCioCAiIBEQEFAQoSBhMSCQeHdQEDCQgNqgU+MYsugWuCd4oIChknAwpUgwYBAQEBBgEBAQEYAQUOhXeECoUZAQFPB4JogUEFhDsGjT6FSIE/jm4SI4EMCYQSPDGBDIE3AQEB X-IPAS-Result: Ah4BAHBwsVTRVdSwlGdsb2JhbABbg1hYBIMBsD0BBoJ1hAKJYIFphXECgQIHQwEBAQEBEQEBAQEHCwsJEjCEDAEBAQMBEhEdARsRDAEDAQsGBQsDCioCAiIBEQEFAQoSBhMSCQeHdQEDCQgNqgU+MYsugWuCd4oIChknAwpUgwYBAQEBBgEBAQEYAQUOhXeECoUZAQFPB4JogUEFhDsGjT6FSIE/jm4SI4EMCYQSPDGBDIE3AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,737,1413237600"; d="scan'208";a="95967697" Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com ([209.85.212.176]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Jan 2015 19:38:18 +0100 Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ex7so7869152wid.3 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:38:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=G1deUWgvAd3WohS2sK8PvYMHUQYcGyHg8jInqgglHCU=; b=DM3B8thL7ua5vPnupQuczJzM0eujZbi/dKUNARGw6Fw3lnlqZELCfV0M/blOimbIwy lc+lpCEZobBXmfpZR3PIIlXEgG/+fJK3bWPxvpCwdo03aksqWod2+qazUah5yHg1bywJ gP+Sgt39F2aJ3ZIynKjKzvXQb0t1BWUKcH/UF/8bV/YEltJYNcqx+KURVVvQuKnqrsgo kefbB9laihtKdtnznwMqco91Hi1VytMgEPNBhOz3lhX8agzG4rwwjTnrkFalslOEFM8a k5Eu1obKJuqaBM+Eef3n5J9SGkIOsvp0Qy/9fGz4XeuJyG+uRe742+tWXavB5iFgjy5o cteg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.77.97 with SMTP id r1mr43859566wjw.51.1420915097753; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.73.228 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:38:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <179a7ef93afed958daa2c024a5a1bb2f@whitequark.org> References: <179a7ef93afed958daa2c024a5a1bb2f@whitequark.org> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 20:38:17 +0200 Message-ID: From: Eray Ozkural To: Peter Zotov Cc: Caml List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcf2f6a86005050c5093f4 Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Ocaml programmers interested in human-level AI --047d7bfcf2f6a86005050c5093f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear Peter, On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Peter Zotov wrote: > On 2015-01-10 19:29, Eray Ozkural wrote: > >> Dear Ocaml list, >> >> I would be very pleased if the members who have a lasting interest in >> the subject of human-level AI would network with me. We have a startup >> working on that subject. Our code base is mainly in ocaml, and our >> team might need some extra programmers in the near future. Although >> this is not a formal job advertisement (yet), those who would like to >> get in touch may just send me a mail for meeting and briefly introduce >> themselves. I would very much welcome such personal networking and >> getting to know fellow functional programming hackers who are also >> interested in advancing the state-of-the-art in machine learning. >> > > Do you think that once implemented, such an AI would be able > to implement a decent build system for OCaml? > I think it would be a very worthwhile goal. > Haha! I am still using that OCaml Makefile that I got from somewhere. So I suppose that would mean it would have to be a better programmer than I am. We do fully intend to achieve that one day. Can an AI be as creative as a human? That was one of the popular objections that Turing evaluated in his 1950 paper. Theory suggests there is no reason why. Also, it is already conceivable as a (quite high tech) extension of automatic programming methods. If you can specify the programming problem logically, yes, a general-purpose AI system (universal problem solver kind) should be able to solve it. Can it do better than all programmers? Such solutions have not been yet demonstrated, but why not? AI could be better at chip design than we are, but also could be better at algorithm design. We just haven't done it at a very large scale yet. We're waiting for a Chicago Pile moment ;) Having said that, I do have an awesome makefile library that I once released called justmake. Let me extend that to include ocaml code and maybe we'll use that in-house. Thanks for reminding that to me. I should also upload a lot of nice bits and pieces to github for easy access. Best Regards, -- Eray Ozkural, PhD. Computer Scientist Founder, Gok Us Sibernetik Ar&Ge Ltd. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy --047d7bfcf2f6a86005050c5093f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Peter,

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Peter Zotov <whitequark@whitequark.org> wrote:
On 2015-01-10 19:29, Eray Ozkur= al wrote:
Dear Ocaml list,

I would be very pleased if the members who have a lasting interest in
the subject of human-level AI would network with me. We have a startup
working on that subject. Our code base is mainly in ocaml, and our
team might need some extra programmers in the near future. Although
this is not a formal job advertisement (yet), those who would like to
get in touch may just send me a mail for meeting and briefly introduce
themselves. I would very much welcome such personal networking and
getting to know fellow functional programming hackers who are also
interested in advancing the state-of-the-art in machine learning.

 Do you think that once implemented, such an AI would be able
to implement a decent build system for OCaml?
I think it would be a very worthwhile goal.


= Haha! I am still using that OCaml Makefile that I got from somewhere. So I<= br>suppose that would mean it would have to be a better programmer than
= I am. We do fully intend to achieve that one day. Can an AI be as creative<= br>as a human? That was one of the popular objections that Turing evaluated=
in his 1950 paper. Theory suggests there is no reason why. Also, it is = already
conceivable as a (quite high te= ch) extension of automatic programming
= methods. If you can specify the programming problem logically, yes, a
g= eneral-purpose AI system (universal problem solver kind) should be able to solve it. Can it do better than all programmers? Such solutions have no= t
been yet demonstrated, but why not? AI could be better at chip design = than
we are, but also could be better at algorithm design. We just haven= 't done it
at a very large scale ye= t. We're waiting for a Chicago Pile moment ;)

Having said that, I do have= an awesome makefile library that I once released
called justmake. Let m= e extend that to include ocaml code and maybe we'll
use that in-hous= e. Thanks for reminding that to me. I should also upload a lot
of nice b= its and pieces to github for easy access.

Best Regards,

--
Eray Ozkural, PhD. Computer Scie= ntist
Founder, Gok Us Sibernetik Ar&Ge Ltd.
http://groups.yahoo.c= om/group/ai-philosophy
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