From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E6297FB5D for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 14:47:23 +0100 (CET) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of examachine@gmail.com) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.212.180; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="examachine@gmail.com"; x-sender="examachine@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: domain of examachine@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.180 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.212.180; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="examachine@gmail.com"; x-sender="examachine@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-wi0-f180.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.212.180; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="examachine@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-wi0-f180.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AncBAPJ9slTRVdS0lWdsb2JhbABbg1hcgwGwLQEGgnWNZIFphXECfwdDAQEBAQERAQEBAQcNCQkSMIQMAQEBAwESER0BGxENAwELBgULDSoCAiEBAREBBQEKEgYTEgkHh3UBAwkIDao8PjGLLoFrgneKDQoZJwMKVIMGAQEIAQEBARgBBQ6Fd4QKg0CBWQEBVoJogUEFhDsGjUGEBIFEgT+KWIQXEiOBDAmEEjwxgQyBNwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: AncBAPJ9slTRVdS0lWdsb2JhbABbg1hcgwGwLQEGgnWNZIFphXECfwdDAQEBAQERAQEBAQcNCQkSMIQMAQEBAwESER0BGxENAwELBgULDSoCAiEBAREBBQEKEgYTEgkHh3UBAwkIDao8PjGLLoFrgneKDQoZJwMKVIMGAQEIAQEBARgBBQ6Fd4QKg0CBWQEBVoJogUEFhDsGjUGEBIFEgT+KWIQXEiOBDAmEEjwxgQyBNwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,737,1413237600"; d="scan'208";a="96010336" Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com ([209.85.212.180]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 11 Jan 2015 14:47:22 +0100 Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id n3so10104546wiv.1 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 05:47:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UU3WWhQI/LIKoDn1Ckw/WHQn0H09k8uFdT6zaFrhQOQ=; b=aN0BvFTEYPXFNtTi9pCyp0o2eDyJgnevuvjOwZkcBK5cC3T+QKpPgxcZM7Ds2VySVZ YABkUZfM83PFPhA3ut3g9JSHqp5s3MVWPAom7awXCTItnK8Ij0048V2dSZ6AzbN2Mvz0 flx6p/pR1B1P7YE1RbM6jhqHMhQKi7eTFepWTUnv6iLHeYIgVRittagRzEhXdIPk5tYC 7960MqfViLzdkbz4X9Dr6Obg41pRjuWyl/CYT4sTXZSe2J/esgV3fzyROCegAx9GSRX2 aqU9J4KdOgJSJv5Dt1TAdh2NaEkAQNgtgcPLp3d/y1XnsJlg775ruD7ZopA36lmoOBTr wRmA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.201.137 with SMTP id ka9mr50926067wjc.66.1420984042659; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 05:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.73.228 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 05:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.73.228 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 05:47:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <179a7ef93afed958daa2c024a5a1bb2f@whitequark.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 15:47:22 +0200 Message-ID: From: Eray Ozkural To: Caml List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b873d5e1827c8050c60a10c Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Ocaml programmers interested in human-level AI --047d7b873d5e1827c8050c60a10c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Typo: theory suggests no reason why not. See for instance Schmidhuber's work on formal theory of creativity. AI will eventually surpass even the most creative human programmers. We first intend to replace some easier professions first, do not worry (just yet). Cheers, On Jan 10, 2015 8:38 PM, "Eray Ozkural" wrote: > Dear Peter, > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Peter Zotov > wrote: > >> On 2015-01-10 19:29, Eray Ozkural wrote: >> >>> Dear Ocaml list, >>> >>> I would be very pleased if the members who have a lasting interest in >>> the subject of human-level AI would network with me. We have a startup >>> working on that subject. Our code base is mainly in ocaml, and our >>> team might need some extra programmers in the near future. Although >>> this is not a formal job advertisement (yet), those who would like to >>> get in touch may just send me a mail for meeting and briefly introduce >>> themselves. I would very much welcome such personal networking and >>> getting to know fellow functional programming hackers who are also >>> interested in advancing the state-of-the-art in machine learning. >>> >> >> Do you think that once implemented, such an AI would be able >> to implement a decent build system for OCaml? >> I think it would be a very worthwhile goal. >> > > > Haha! I am still using that OCaml Makefile that I got from somewhere. So I > suppose that would mean it would have to be a better programmer than > I am. We do fully intend to achieve that one day. Can an AI be as creative > as a human? That was one of the popular objections that Turing evaluated > in his 1950 paper. Theory suggests there is no reason why. Also, it is > already > conceivable as a (quite high tech) extension of automatic programming > methods. If you can specify the programming problem logically, yes, a > general-purpose AI system (universal problem solver kind) should be able > to solve it. Can it do better than all programmers? Such solutions have not > been yet demonstrated, but why not? AI could be better at chip design than > we are, but also could be better at algorithm design. We just haven't done > it > at a very large scale yet. We're waiting for a Chicago Pile moment ;) > > Having said that, I do have an awesome makefile library that I once > released > called justmake. Let me extend that to include ocaml code and maybe we'll > use that in-house. Thanks for reminding that to me. I should also upload a > lot > of nice bits and pieces to github for easy access. > > Best Regards, > > -- > Eray Ozkural, PhD. Computer Scientist > Founder, Gok Us Sibernetik Ar&Ge Ltd. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy > --047d7b873d5e1827c8050c60a10c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Typo: theory suggests no reason why not. See for instance Sc= hmidhuber's work on formal theory of creativity. AI will eventually sur= pass even the most creative human programmers. We first intend to replace s= ome easier professions first, do not worry (just yet).

Cheers,

On Jan 10, 2015 8:38 PM, "Eray Ozkural"= ; <examachine@gmail.com> = wrote:
Dear Peter,

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Peter Zotov <<= a href=3D"mailto:whitequark@whitequark.org" target=3D"_blank">whitequark@wh= itequark.org> wrote:
On 2015-01-10 19:29, Eray Ozkural wrote:
Dear Ocaml list,

I would be very pleased if the members who have a lasting interest in
the subject of human-level AI would network with me. We have a startup
working on that subject. Our code base is mainly in ocaml, and our
team might need some extra programmers in the near future. Although
this is not a formal job advertisement (yet), those who would like to
get in touch may just send me a mail for meeting and briefly introduce
themselves. I would very much welcome such personal networking and
getting to know fellow functional programming hackers who are also
interested in advancing the state-of-the-art in machine learning.

 Do you think that once implemented, such an AI would be able
to implement a decent build system for OCaml?
I think it would be a very worthwhile goal.


Haha! I am still using t= hat OCaml Makefile that I got from somewhere. So I
suppose that would me= an it would have to be a better programmer than
I am. We do fully intend= to achieve that one day. Can an AI be as creative
as a human? That was = one of the popular objections that Turing evaluated
in his 1950 paper. T= heory suggests there is no reason why. Also, it is already
conceivable as a (quite high tech) extension of automat= ic programming
methods. If you can spec= ify the programming problem logically, yes, a
general-purpose AI system= (universal problem solver kind) should be able
to solve it. Can it do = better than all programmers? Such solutions have not
been yet demonstrat= ed, but why not? AI could be better at chip design than
we are, but also= could be better at algorithm design. We just haven't done it
=
at a very large scale yet. We're waiting for= a Chicago Pile moment ;)

Having said that, I do have an awesome makefile lib= rary that I once released
called justmake. Let me extend that to include= ocaml code and maybe we'll
use that in-house. Thanks for reminding = that to me. I should also upload a lot
of nice bits and pieces to github= for easy access.

Best Regards,

--
Eray O= zkural, PhD. Computer Scientist
Founder, Gok Us Sibernetik Ar&Ge Ltd= .
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy
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