* Re: [Caml-list] IDE
2013-09-09 15:09 ` Jon Harrop
@ 2013-09-09 16:52 ` Suminda Dharmasena
2013-09-15 15:16 ` Hongbo Zhang
2013-09-15 20:22 ` Komtanoo Pinpimai
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From: Suminda Dharmasena @ 2013-09-09 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jon; +Cc: Kristopher Micinski, caml-list
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I would agree.
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On 9 September 2013 20:39, Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW, Intellisense is an invaluable way to explore APIs when using F#.
> Coming back to OCaml now feels cumbersome. The development of GUI apps is
> perhaps the most extreme example: my productivity is maybe 100x higher with
> F# than OCaml solely because of Intellisense (nothing to do with GUI
> designer tools).
>
> Cheers,
> Jon.
>
> From: caml-list-request@inria.fr [mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr] On
> Behalf Of Kristopher Micinski
> Sent: 08 September 2013 13:41
> To: Suminda Dharmasena
> Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
> Subject: Re: [Caml-list] IDE
>
> OcaIDE exists:
>
> http://www.algo-prog.info/ocaide/
>
> Along with others as well.
>
> I've personally never been a real fan of using Eclipse for OCaml
> development. I feel like the good reasons to use Eclipse are for languages
> with huge overhead in naming conventions and boilerplate, Java being the
> case in point example. By contrast, in OCaml most people use the module
> system and I've usually been able to get by with swapping between a few
> buffers of interface files. Of course, YMMV.
>
> Kris
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Suminda Dharmasena <sirinath@sakrio.com>
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to have a Eclipse based IDE? Perhaps Xtext may help in
> putting one together.
>
> Suminda
>
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> • 1st Lane • Pagoda Road • Nugegoda 10250 • Sri Lanka. ▣ Mobile:
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* Re: [Caml-list] IDE
2013-09-09 15:09 ` Jon Harrop
2013-09-09 16:52 ` Suminda Dharmasena
@ 2013-09-15 15:16 ` Hongbo Zhang
2013-09-15 20:22 ` Komtanoo Pinpimai
2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Hongbo Zhang @ 2013-09-15 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jon, Caml List
On 9/9/13 11:09 AM, Jon Harrop wrote:
>
> FWIW, Intellisense is an invaluable way to explore APIs when using F#. Coming back to OCaml now feels cumbersome. The development of GUI apps is perhaps the most extreme example: my productivity is maybe 100x higher with F# than OCaml solely because of Intellisense (nothing to do with GUI designer tools).
try utop, it's not as good as Visual studio, but it's very useful to
explore API.
Personally I used it a lot to explore the OCaml compiler's API, which is
quite helpful
>
> Cheers,
> Jon.
>
> From: caml-list-request@inria.fr [mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr] On Behalf Of Kristopher Micinski
> Sent: 08 September 2013 13:41
> To: Suminda Dharmasena
> Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
> Subject: Re: [Caml-list] IDE
>
> OcaIDE exists:
>
> http://www.algo-prog.info/ocaide/
>
> Along with others as well.
>
> I've personally never been a real fan of using Eclipse for OCaml development. I feel like the good reasons to use Eclipse are for languages with huge overhead in naming conventions and boilerplate, Java being the case in point example. By contrast, in OCaml most people use the module system and I've usually been able to get by with swapping between a few buffers of interface files. Of course, YMMV.
>
> Kris
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Suminda Dharmasena <sirinath@sakrio.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to have a Eclipse based IDE? Perhaps Xtext may help in putting one together.
>
> Suminda
>
> --
> Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena, B.Sc. Comp. & I.S. (Hon.) Lond., P.G.Dip. Ind. Maths. J'Pura, MIEEE, MACM, CEO Sakrīō! ▣ Address: 6G • 1st Lane • Pagoda Road • Nugegoda 10250 • Sri Lanka. ▣ Mobile: +94-(0)711007945 ▣ Tele: +94-(0)11-5 864614 / 5 875614 / 2 825908 ▣ Web: http://www.sakrio.com ▣
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* Re: [Caml-list] IDE
2013-09-09 15:09 ` Jon Harrop
2013-09-09 16:52 ` Suminda Dharmasena
2013-09-15 15:16 ` Hongbo Zhang
@ 2013-09-15 20:22 ` Komtanoo Pinpimai
2013-09-17 11:20 ` Jon Harrop
2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Komtanoo Pinpimai @ 2013-09-15 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: caml-list
this makes me want to try F# and Intellisense, but I switched from
windows to osx while ago.
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW, Intellisense is an invaluable way to explore APIs when using F#. Coming back to OCaml now feels cumbersome. The development of GUI apps is perhaps the most extreme example: my productivity is maybe 100x higher with F# than OCaml solely because of Intellisense (nothing to do with GUI designer tools).
>
> Cheers,
> Jon.
>
> From: caml-list-request@inria.fr [mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr] On Behalf Of Kristopher Micinski
> Sent: 08 September 2013 13:41
> To: Suminda Dharmasena
> Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
> Subject: Re: [Caml-list] IDE
>
> OcaIDE exists:
>
> http://www.algo-prog.info/ocaide/
>
> Along with others as well.
>
> I've personally never been a real fan of using Eclipse for OCaml development. I feel like the good reasons to use Eclipse are for languages with huge overhead in naming conventions and boilerplate, Java being the case in point example. By contrast, in OCaml most people use the module system and I've usually been able to get by with swapping between a few buffers of interface files. Of course, YMMV.
>
> Kris
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Suminda Dharmasena <sirinath@sakrio.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to have a Eclipse based IDE? Perhaps Xtext may help in putting one together.
>
> Suminda
>
> --
> Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena, B.Sc. Comp. & I.S. (Hon.) Lond., P.G.Dip. Ind. Maths. J'Pura, MIEEE, MACM, CEO Sakrīō! ▣ Address: 6G • 1st Lane • Pagoda Road • Nugegoda 10250 • Sri Lanka. ▣ Mobile: +94-(0)711007945 ▣ Tele: +94-(0)11-5 864614 / 5 875614 / 2 825908 ▣ Web: http://www.sakrio.com ▣
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* RE: [Caml-list] IDE
2013-09-15 20:22 ` Komtanoo Pinpimai
@ 2013-09-17 11:20 ` Jon Harrop
2013-09-17 14:42 ` Paolo Donadeo
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jon Harrop @ 2013-09-17 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: romerun, caml-list
Xamarin Studio is good when it works.
Cheers,
Jon.
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From: caml-list-request@inria.fr [mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr] On Behalf Of Komtanoo Pinpimai
Sent: 15 September 2013 21:23
To: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] IDE
this makes me want to try F# and Intellisense, but I switched from windows to osx while ago.
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW, Intellisense is an invaluable way to explore APIs when using F#. Coming back to OCaml now feels cumbersome. The development of GUI apps is perhaps the most extreme example: my productivity is maybe 100x higher with F# than OCaml solely because of Intellisense (nothing to do with GUI designer tools).
>
> Cheers,
> Jon.
>
> From: caml-list-request@inria.fr [mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr]
> On Behalf Of Kristopher Micinski
> Sent: 08 September 2013 13:41
> To: Suminda Dharmasena
> Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
> Subject: Re: [Caml-list] IDE
>
> OcaIDE exists:
>
> http://www.algo-prog.info/ocaide/
>
> Along with others as well.
>
> I've personally never been a real fan of using Eclipse for OCaml development. I feel like the good reasons to use Eclipse are for languages with huge overhead in naming conventions and boilerplate, Java being the case in point example. By contrast, in OCaml most people use the module system and I've usually been able to get by with swapping between a few buffers of interface files. Of course, YMMV.
>
> Kris
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Suminda Dharmasena <sirinath@sakrio.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to have a Eclipse based IDE? Perhaps Xtext may help in putting one together.
>
> Suminda
>
> --
> Suminda Sirinath Salpitikorala Dharmasena, B.Sc. Comp. & I.S. (Hon.)
> Lond., P.G.Dip. Ind. Maths. J'Pura, MIEEE, MACM, CEO Sakrīō! ▣
> Address: 6G • 1st Lane • Pagoda Road • Nugegoda 10250 • Sri Lanka. ▣
> Mobile: +94-(0)711007945 ▣ Tele: +94-(0)11-5 864614 / 5 875614 / 2
> 825908 ▣ Web: http://www.sakrio.com ▣
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* Re: [Caml-list] IDE
2013-09-17 11:20 ` Jon Harrop
@ 2013-09-17 14:42 ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-09-17 20:36 ` Jon Harrop
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From: Paolo Donadeo @ 2013-09-17 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: OCaml mailing list
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Jon, can you explain the "when" part?
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* RE: [Caml-list] IDE
2013-09-17 14:42 ` Paolo Donadeo
@ 2013-09-17 20:36 ` Jon Harrop
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From: Jon Harrop @ 2013-09-17 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Paolo Donadeo', 'OCaml mailing list'
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Sure. Although Xamarin have announced that they intend to support F# as a first-class language on their toolstack they are still relying on the community-driven fsharpbindings. Xamarin recently put out an autoupdate to Xamarin Studio and several people including myself noticed that it broke F# support. No more “jump to definition” and some flakey Intellisense. I think the fix went into fsharpbindings on Github but I’ve no idea how long it will take to filter back to me.
So it isn’t all plain sailing but it is very impressive, IMO.
Cheers,
Jon.
From: caml-list-request@inria.fr [mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr] On Behalf Of Paolo Donadeo
Sent: 17 September 2013 15:42
To: OCaml mailing list
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] IDE
Jon, can you explain the "when" part?
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