From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pB8Am5Ps020572 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:48:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjkCAE6V4E7RVaG2imdsb2JhbABDmjiIGAGIDAgiAQEBCgkNBxIGIYFyAQEBAQIBEgIsARsSCwEDAQsGBQsHBg0hIgERAQUBCgQOBhMSAgcHh2UImioKi2SCa4RJPYhxAgUMg2uHRASCW5IQjXA9g3k X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,319,1320620400"; d="scan'208";a="134524086" Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com ([209.85.161.182]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 08 Dec 2011 11:47:59 +0100 Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so3004406ggn.27 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 02:47:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gsqu5Kbk5i/7USQdohqhZlE7LWmgmXTeq1sokWxXqa8=; b=e9TycpPZAdoKtxRmAkZe43N+RWAdIfLA9cc2ybbLMUaDwjAuO8an9piv1KGnX/iIIn G6YW1Hyj/WknVtG++clCaOOTqXIY0zYi41MiEwY/BJe8kcbUtejhATkoiIok8on5GrH0 lO+oQCsvXv5DLN5oQk0ZDj1aQ70GbSydA38ko= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.106.137 with SMTP id gu9mr3177276igb.35.1323341278137; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 02:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.163.3 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 02:47:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <55531934-37A5-4CC5-AB67-20CE4CCE8269@googlemail.com> <4EE08955.30207@frisch.fr> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 10:47:58 +0000 Message-ID: From: ivan chollet To: Benedikt Meurer Cc: Alain Frisch , caml users Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f235931ccccd304b39266af Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) --e89a8f235931ccccd304b39266af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's nice to see this thread coming back to the original issue after having been hijacked. You can notice that contributers to this thread have opinions but not many facts and arguments to support them. Contacting the OCaml maintainers privately is definitely not the way to let the development process happen in the open, but bad habits are hard to get rid of. I think we all understand that the core team is in an uncomfortable and conflicting situation and that the questions asked in this thread won't get an answer. In french this is called "avoir le cul entre deux chaises". Benedikt did not suggest at any point to set OCaml free from the original developers, he suggested to set it free from the INRIA. On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Benedikt Meurer < benedikt.meurer@googlemail.com> wrote: > > On Dec 8, 2011, at 10:54 , Alain Frisch wrote: > > > On 12/08/2011 10:10 AM, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > >> There were already a few useful comments on the topic, but no statement > from the current INRIA officials. Opening up the development of OCaml is a > great suggestion, for example. Personally I'd even suggest to disconnect > OCaml and INRIA, with an independent team of core maintainers (with > appropriate spare time and knowledge). INRIA would still contribute to > OCaml, but no longer control OCaml. > > > > Honestly, opening up the development of OCaml would be terrific; but > trying to disconnect it from INRIA sounds like a very bad idea to me. > > > > Concerning the issues with the ARM port, there is no chance to get a > good support for this architecture (which includes accepting patches) > without someone in the core team who feels responsible for the port and > commits to maintaining it. You might want to create a new "core team" > completely disconnected from INRIA, but the problem would remain the same > (I don't believe in a completely decentralized development model for > something like OCaml). > > The problem is IMHO that there is no one at INRIA caring about ARM. In an > open model we would have maintainers for the ARM port(s). > > > Instead, I'd suggest contacting the existing core team (caml@inria.fr) > in order to find a solution. > > I wasn't aware that there is a separate communication channel for the core > team. I was under the impression that the caml-list was the best way to > reach both the core team and the community. > > > Best regards, > > Alain > > greets, > Benedikt > > -- > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa-roc.inria.fr/wws/info/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs > > --e89a8f235931ccccd304b39266af Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's nice to see this thread coming back to the original issue after=20 having been hijacked. You can notice that contributers to this thread=20 have opinions but not many facts and arguments to support them.
Contacti= ng the OCaml maintainers privately is definitely not the way to let the dev= elopment process happen in the open, but bad habits are hard to get rid of.=
I=20 think we all understand that the core team is in an uncomfortable and=20 conflicting situation and that the questions asked in this thread won't= get an answer. In french this is called "avoir le cul entre deux chaises".
Benedikt did not suggest at any point to set OCaml free = from the original developers, he suggested to set it free from the INRIA.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Bened= ikt Meurer <benedikt.meurer@googlemail.com> wrote:

On Dec 8, 2011, at 10:54 , Alain Frisch wrote:

> On 12/08/2011 10:10 AM, Benedikt Meurer wrote:
>> There were already a few useful comments on the topic, but no stat= ement from the current INRIA officials. Opening up the development of OCaml= is a great suggestion, for example. Personally I'd even suggest to dis= connect OCaml and INRIA, with an independent team of core maintainers (with= appropriate spare time and knowledge). INRIA would still contribute to OCa= ml, but no longer control OCaml.
>
> Honestly, opening up the development of OCaml would be terrific; but t= rying to disconnect it from INRIA sounds like a very bad idea to me.
>
> Concerning the issues with the ARM port, there is no chance to get a g= ood support for this architecture (which includes accepting patches) withou= t someone in the core team who feels responsible for the port and commits t= o maintaining it. =A0You might want to create a new "core team" c= ompletely disconnected from INRIA, but the problem would remain the same (I= don't believe in a completely decentralized development model for some= thing like OCaml).

The problem is IMHO that there is no one at INRIA caring about ARM. I= n an open model we would have maintainers for the ARM port(s).

> Instead, I'd suggest contacting the existing core team (caml@inria.fr) in order to find a solution.

I wasn't aware that there is a separate communication channel for= the core team. I was under the impression that the caml-list was the best = way to reach both the core team and the community.

> Best regards,
> Alain

greets,
Benedikt

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