From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C18B981799 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 00:35:39 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of mlin@mlin.net) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.219.47; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="mlin@mlin.net"; x-sender="mlin@mlin.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of mlin@mlin.net) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.219.47; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="mlin@mlin.net"; x-sender="mlin@mlin.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-oa0-f47.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.219.47; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="mlin@mlin.net"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-oa0-f47.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgCAPID71HRVdsvm2dsb2JhbABbgztQrj2JaYg6gQwIFg4BAQEBAQYLCwkUKIIkAQEEAW4QCwsLGiEiEgEFAQoSBgESCQkCh2oDCQYMmmaUWQOIaI5YgSELhAADiSqONYEpjj8WKYRagUpA X-IPAS-Result: AlgCAPID71HRVdsvm2dsb2JhbABbgztQrj2JaYg6gQwIFg4BAQEBAQYLCwkUKIIkAQEEAW4QCwsLGiEiEgEFAQoSBgESCQkCh2oDCQYMmmaUWQOIaI5YgSELhAADiSqONYEpjj8WKYRagUpA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,731,1367964000"; d="scan'208";a="22056728" Received: from mail-oa0-f47.google.com ([209.85.219.47]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 24 Jul 2013 00:35:38 +0200 Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id m1so2800550oag.34 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:35:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=7wbcxYkb4lHzKcxTBIYgefbyrTfuSDJ6vIb4l4qVysw=; b=HUm5k3M2ozlkG27h1z73k57mDCbb+FtFT1jBqIIk7oSpHtXhVci8OXMKXp0d7fAWh6 lUlPYKzTcG0w/Ze8hY3JpvhLwxGhce/rtuwiaQoZ4cUrHHmPfowmiHLMloGTvud7rgIP kydSht8109KYQaC9zPSqo4JSeXfYFbw9zux9pqOohn0+Fnf/Tm2Uiij7pUn5Kd2jfTwi 082crx2ISFofVBMEm7eItlnC8AbAGCL/dSfF5e8s7uRXzsUyNgh4B4sK0kTdhQ9yU0Mm /9iH0r/elag63TkI2syjfP/84sTnf9gEPfPFBN/Hreet9/G7ESaWu3okkAGcjCEdWqRC klHw== X-Received: by 10.182.144.163 with SMTP id sn3mr27760252obb.1.1374618936398; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:35:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.148.165 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [76.191.184.242] In-Reply-To: <1e141e2803d9dec6a8231dd4f16dd173.squirrel@gps.dynxs.de> References: <1e141e2803d9dec6a8231dd4f16dd173.squirrel@gps.dynxs.de> From: Mike Lin Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:35:16 -0700 Message-ID: To: "caml-list@inria.fr" , godi-list@ocaml-programming.de, Gerd Stolpmann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158aba668339904e2356996 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkiHfERN2+KduY27CPL79pU3JlMTdQ7GKPu8jsWKKFhBw0+anlNKBJc1wAVTeKobSqKFzqx X-Validation-by: mlin@mlin.net Subject: Re: [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down --089e0158aba668339904e2356996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Gerd, Thanks for all your work maintaining GODI over the years. Mike On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Gerd Stolpmann wrote: > Dear subscriber, > > Unfortunately, it is no longer possible for me to run the GODI > distribution. GODI will not upgrade to OCaml 4.01 once it is out, and it > will shut down the public service in the course of September 2013. The > website, camlcity.org, will remain up, but with reduced content. Existing > GODI installations can be continued to be used, but upgrades or bugfixes > will not be available when GODI is off. > > Although there are still a lot of GODI users, it is unavoidable to shut > GODI down due to lack of supporters, especially package developers. I was > more or less alone in the past months, and my time contingent will not > allow it to do the upgrade to OCaml 4.01 alone (when it is released). > > Also, there was a lot of noise about a competing packaging system for > OCaml in the past weeks: OPAM. Apparently, it got a lot of attention both > from individuals and from organizations. As I see it, the OCaml community > is too small to support two systems, and so in some sense GODI is > displaced by OPAM. > > The sad part is that OPAM is only clearly better in one point, namely in > interacting with the community (via Github). In times where social > networks are worth billions this is probably the striking point. It > doesn't matter that OPAM lacks core functions like deleting all files when > a package is removed, and that it lacks many other features GODI has. So > there is some loss of functionality for the community (partly difficult to > replace, like GODI's support for Windows). > > If somebody wants to take over GODI, please do so. The source code is > still available as well as the package directories. Maybe it is sufficient > to move the repository to a public place and to redesign the package > release process to give GODI a restart. > > There is also another point that was driving me mad in the past weeks, > namely missing respect from the OPAM guys. Given the fact that OPAM is > only a thin layer around ocamlfind (and guess who wrote it), and given the > fact that GODI was pioneering in many fields, I was expecting nicer > wordings, and less dumb campaigning ("we have 400 packages, and you only > 170"). OPAM is only harvesting what I seeded many years ago. > > Let's hope these guys get now some kicks into their asses, and are forced > to add all the functionality to OPAM the OCaml community deserves. > > Hoorn (NL), the 22nd July 2013, > > Gerd Stolpmann > -- > Gerd Stolpmann, Darmstadt, Germany gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de > Creator of GODI and camlcity.org. > Contact details: http://www.camlcity.org/contact.html > Company homepage: http://www.gerd-stolpmann.de > > > > -- > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs --089e0158aba668339904e2356996 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gerd,
Thanks for all your work maintaining GODI over t= he years.
Mike



On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Gerd= Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de> wrote:
Dear subscriber,

Unfortunately, it is no longer possible for me to run the GODI
distribution. GODI will not upgrade to OCaml 4.01 once it is out, and it
will shut down the public service in the course of September 2013. The
website, camlcity.org= , will remain up, but with reduced content. Existing
GODI installations can be continued to be used, but upgrades or bugfixes
will not be available when GODI is off.

Although there are still a lot of GODI users, it is unavoidable to shut
GODI down due to lack of supporters, especially package developers. I was more or less alone in the past months, and my time contingent will not
allow it to do the upgrade to OCaml 4.01 alone (when it is released).

Also, there was a lot of noise about a competing packaging system for
OCaml in the past weeks: OPAM. Apparently, it got a lot of attention both from individuals and from organizations. As I see it, the OCaml community is too small to support two systems, and so in some sense GODI is
displaced by OPAM.

The sad part is that OPAM is only clearly better in one point, namely in
interacting with the community (via Github). In times where social
networks are worth billions this is probably the striking point. It
doesn't matter that OPAM lacks core functions like deleting all files w= hen
a package is removed, and that it lacks many other features GODI has. So
there is some loss of functionality for the community (partly difficult to<= br> replace, like GODI's support for Windows).

If somebody wants to take over GODI, please do so. The source code is
still available as well as the package directories. Maybe it is sufficient<= br> to move the repository to a public place and to redesign the package
release process to give GODI a restart.

There is also another point that was driving me mad in the past weeks,
namely missing respect from the OPAM guys. Given the fact that OPAM is
only a thin layer around ocamlfind (and guess who wrote it), and given the<= br> fact that GODI was pioneering in many fields, I was expecting nicer
wordings, and less dumb campaigning ("we have 400 packages, and you on= ly
170"). OPAM is only harvesting what I seeded many years ago.

Let's hope these guys get now some kicks into their asses, and are forc= ed
to add all the functionality to OPAM the OCaml community deserves.

Hoorn (NL), the 22nd July 2013,

Gerd Stolpmann
--
Gerd Stolpmann, Darmstadt, Germany =A0 =A0gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de
Creator of GODI and camlc= ity.org.
Contact details: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.camlcity.org/contact.html
Company homepage: =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.gerd-stolpmann.de



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