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From: Martin DeMello <martindemello@gmail.com>
To: Romain Bardou <romain.bardou@inria.fr>
Cc: "caml-list@inria.fr" <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] We need a rich standard library distributed with OCaml, really
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:55:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFrFfuFuMcDwhsMYhAw77bhth2gjQYpe7HcAusqWCbggRQ6nvg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55DEE7E5.1020104@inria.fr>

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Romain Bardou <romain.bardou@inria.fr>
wrote:
>
> I agree about smaller, independent packages. This is a very general API
> design principle: avoid coupling (the fact that using a module implies
> using another). This may be the main reason I avoid external libraries. For
> instance, Martin Jambon's Yojson depends on biniou, cppo and easy-format. I
> believe Martin is an awesome programmer but this particular point just
> baffles me as there is absolutely no need for *any* external dependency to
> solve such a simple problem (JSON parsing, pretty-printing and AST
> constructors). I understand that Martin wants to reuse its own code and be
> able to integrate Yojson easily with other libraries of his, and that is
> great. For him and users of his other libraries. Not for those who just
> want a JSON parser and have had to install all dependencies manually on
> Windows.
>

Part of the promise of an ecosystem of small libraries is that you should
be able to use them for any code you write, including other libraries. This
is not the same thing as API coupling; as an end user of library C you
should be able to use it without caring about whether it is self-contained
in terms of code or whether it uses libraries A and B internally. The fact
that dependencies need to be installed manually on windows is a failure of
the ocaml windows ecosystem (which I'm definitely sympathetic towards; I
once had to manually copy a bunch of code from batteries into my own
project just to avoid depending on it); it is not a sign that libraries
need not to depend on each other.

martin

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-27 19:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-27  2:52 Hongbo Zhang
2015-08-27  6:59 ` Christoph Höger
2015-08-27  7:18 ` Anthony Tavener
2015-08-27  8:17   ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-27 10:35     ` Romain Bardou
2015-08-27 19:55       ` Martin DeMello [this message]
2015-08-27 20:10         ` Yotam Barnoy
2015-08-27 23:24           ` Drup
2015-08-28 13:23           ` Philippe Veber
2015-08-27 20:17         ` Raoul Duke
2015-08-27 23:10       ` Martin Jambon
     [not found]     ` <20150827174554.14858.6618@localhost>
2015-08-27 18:42       ` [Caml-list] Fwd: " Emmanuel Surleau
2015-08-27 21:17     ` [Caml-list] " Paolo Donadeo
2015-08-27 21:51       ` Oliver Bandel
2015-08-27 21:56         ` Oliver Bandel
2015-08-27 22:04           ` Oliver Bandel
2015-08-28  0:50     ` Hongbo Zhang
2015-08-31 16:06     ` Stéphane Glondu
2015-08-31 16:14       ` Francois Berenger
2015-08-31 16:44         ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-31 18:04           ` Ian Zimmerman
2015-08-31 17:26         ` Stéphane Glondu
2015-09-01 15:06           ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2015-08-31 17:34       ` Oliver Bandel
2015-09-01 13:46       ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-27  8:07 ` Sébastien Hinderer
2015-08-27  8:20   ` Daniil Baturin
2015-08-27  9:34     ` Edouard Evangelisti
2015-08-28  9:07       ` r.3
2015-08-27  8:12 ` Francois Berenger
2015-08-27 11:57   ` Drup
2015-08-27 14:17 ` Yaron Minsky
2015-08-27 16:00   ` Jesse Haber-Kucharsky
2015-08-28  0:33     ` Hongbo Zhang
2015-08-28  1:53       ` Daniel Bünzli
     [not found]       ` <20150828.140826.2157566405742612169.Christophe.Troestler@umons.ac.be>
2015-08-28 12:38         ` Thomas Braibant
2015-08-28 13:00           ` [Caml-list] opam license field (was Re: We need a rich standard library distributed with OCaml, really) Daniel Bünzli
2015-08-28 13:06             ` David Sheets
2015-08-28 14:01         ` [Caml-list] We need a rich standard library distributed with OCaml, really Oliver Bandel
2015-08-31 15:26           ` Hendrik Boom
2015-08-28 14:35         ` Alain Frisch
2015-08-29 19:02           ` David MENTRÉ
2015-08-31 12:37             ` Jon Harrop
2015-08-31 15:05               ` Emmanuel Surleau
2015-08-31 17:31                 ` Oliver Bandel
2015-08-28 15:02         ` Simon Cruanes
2015-08-28 15:27           ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-08-28 15:51         ` Oliver Bandel
2015-08-31 18:40       ` Ashish Agarwal
2016-03-27 20:54     ` Jon Harrop
2016-03-27 21:21       ` Simon Cruanes
2016-03-27 23:48       ` Yaron Minsky

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