From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA1627EE5C for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of esther.baruk@gmail.com) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.217.173; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="esther.baruk@gmail.com"; x-sender="esther.baruk@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: domain of esther.baruk@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.173 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.217.173; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="esther.baruk@gmail.com"; x-sender="esther.baruk@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-lb0-f173.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.217.173; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="esther.baruk@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-lb0-f173.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgDADgyXVHRVdmtlGdsb2JhbABDgzxEriuJYwGGXoFUeAgWDgEBAQEHCwsJEiqCHwEBBAEdIwEbDAYMAwELBgULDQ0hIgERAQUBChIGEwkJAodtAQMJBgcFoheML4J7hDoKGScDClmIfAEFDI5nIguDQAOQcIV7gR+KVIM2FimCVIFcOg X-IPAS-Result: AjgDADgyXVHRVdmtlGdsb2JhbABDgzxEriuJYwGGXoFUeAgWDgEBAQEHCwsJEiqCHwEBBAEdIwEbDAYMAwELBgULDQ0hIgERAQUBChIGEwkJAodtAQMJBgcFoheML4J7hDoKGScDClmIfAEFDI5nIguDQAOQcIV7gR+KVIM2FimCVIFcOg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,405,1363129200"; d="scan'208";a="11730566" Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com ([209.85.217.173]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 04 Apr 2013 09:57:22 +0200 Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id w20so2430877lbh.18 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:57:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=BL0arVORpBTkNMcLcza93qXE2hfHevpkODTcq+Pknak=; b=IbaOte083yUsX5nAaIUV5/KimbA/fvtYzabWshafDLMLHnv7S+xSohklOtWlp0Ia0t mrsGrWntkg1UYIU8rAoGro7bwt4fjw111DWJheJmwc+JlyOJy1KLkw5MKvj8LMPV+bvw IZJu430zBs7K4GN9cxyx4AsNnqkkN820ej4utydfyejHu+xM0PFNfnYbe8B+y7HMzc2p 0c2spxDBjnUEwl1FAgAkDZI5CuBLKvJUsZwOa7o+u5y9YGmYY9IjpHfg95Z9ZZcIBMVZ QA+KmoRUdgN4mJJVMH0t+KbcYN1uNMxT27DdgK4KyT9hlPB6jv2KLIebxGj5CP4yR3Fh wCjg== X-Received: by 10.152.115.196 with SMTP id jq4mr2632422lab.53.1365062241825; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:57:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.2.1 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 00:57:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1365025520.10138.5@samsung> References: <1365025520.10138.5@samsung> From: Esther Baruk Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:57:00 +0200 Message-ID: To: "caml-list@inria.fr users" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c34c900537ec04d984525a Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OUD2013 part of CUFP? --001a11c34c900537ec04d984525a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Having attended the last two OCaml meetings (as it was called at that time), I didn't find OUD very different from previous events. It is not too academic, accessible to "industrial users", and - I think - interesting for "average users". Also, the atmosphere and the people attending were not so much different either. It is also worth mentioning that it gives the OCaml community visibility in this big FP conference (there are single events for Haskell, Scheme, F#, so why not OCaml ?). Esther Baruk On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Gerd Stolpmann wrote: > Am 03.04.2013 23:21:01 schrieb(en) Gabriel Scherer: > > I am also interested in participating to more developer-oriented >> conference, preferably about Free Software. I missed the "call for >> presentation" of this year FOSDEM but did consider sending something >> there, >> and I will looking for a possibility to either talk or simply attend and >> listen next year. If you (Gerd, Martin) are also interested, it would >> surely be great to have more people from the OCaml community there. >> > > Yes, I'm interested, and Brussels is also in reach. There are also a > couple of things I could talk about (e.g. multicore in OCaml, or map/reduce > in OCaml). > > Gerd > > >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Gerd Stolpmann > >wrote: >> >> > Am 03.04.2013 20:33:17 schrieb(en) Anil Madhavapeddy: >> > >> > On 3 Apr 2013, at 11:02, Martin Jambon >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > "Spreading the word widely" doesn't happen like that - it's the core >> of >> >> the problem. >> >> > >> >> > In thought the goal was to raise awareness among professional >> software >> >> developers who might consider trying some more "functional" approaches >> to >> >> programming. >> >> > Pardon my cynicism, but this is different from a meeting whose goal >> is >> >> to show academics that their pet language was used by that one person >> in >> >> that big company and then pat each other on the back. >> >> >> >> Are you all in a bad mood today or something? >> >> >> > >> > Come on, that's Martin's special humor. >> > >> > >> > That's quite the mischaracterisation of CUFP. Let me sample some of the >> >> videos from the CUFP website (at http://cufp.org/videos) >> >> >> > >> > In deed, this is all interesting and encouraging, and there is no >> question >> > that CUFP is an important event. For CUFP, I don't see any problem of >> > colocating it with ICFP. For the researchers this is, as Martin points >> out >> > in his special way, also a source of motivation. For OUD, the topics are >> > different, though - it's more practical problems, questions of OCaml's >> > roadmap, and generally more technical. So I'd make there a difference. >> > >> > Gerd >> > >> > >> > * Scala at Twitter >> >> http://cufp.org/videos/****scaling-scala-twitter-marius-*** >> *eriksen-twitter >> >> **> >> >> >> * Facebook Chat in Erlang >> >> http://cufp.org/videos/****functional-programming-****facebook >> >> > >> >> >> * Freebase and Metaweb in OCaml (now part of Google) >> >> http://cufp.org/videos/****functional-programming-** >> >> freebase-warren-harris-**metaweb> videos/functional-programming-**freebase-warren-harris-metaweb >> **> >> >> >> * Scheme for games development in Uncharted 3 >> >> http://cufp.org/videos/****functional-mzscheme-dsls-game-** >> **development >> >> > >> >> >> * F# at Microsoft for biological computing >> >> http://cufp.org/videos/using-****f-prove-stabilisation-** >> >> biological-networks> stabilisation-biological-**networks >> > >> >> http://cufp.org/videos/f-****embracing-functional-** >> >> programming-visual-studio-****2010-luke-hoban-mic> cufp.org/videos/f-embracing-**functional-programming-visual-** >> studio-2010-luke-hoban-mic >> > >> >> >> * Big data at Nokia using Erlang/OCaml: >> >> http://cufp.org/videos/disco-****using-erlang-implement-****mapreduce >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> And I haven't even mentioned our usual friends from Citrix or Jane >> Street: >> >> * http://cufp.org/videos/citrix-****haskell-xenclient >> >> > >> >> * http://cufp.org/videos/jane-****street-status-report >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> And many more, of varying size and impact: there's been an interesting >> >> evolution from the 'bedroom FP user' to large companies that use it >> without >> >> blinking an eye. All of this has been tracked by CUFP over the years, >> >> although we unfortunately don't have videos from the earliest ones. >> >> >> >> Please do stop directing your ire at a workshop that has done its best >> to >> >> broaden the appeal of FP for nearly a decade now, and do start thinking >> >> about getting involved in the (many) open-source events that are out >> there >> >> these days. Anyone can propose talks at places like Strange Loop and >> >> OSCON, and your travel and registration is often covered by the event >> >> organisers. >> >> >> >> -anil >> >> -- >> >> Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: >> >> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/****arc/caml-list >> >> > >> >> Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/****ocaml_beginners >> >> > >> >> Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-****bugs >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ------------------------------****----------------------------**-- >> >> > Gerd Stolpmann, Darmstadt, Germany gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de >> > Creator of GODI and camlcity.org. >> > Contact details: http://www.camlcity.org/****contact.html >> >> > >> > Company homepage: http://www.gerd-stolpmann.de >> > ------------------------------****----------------------------**-- >> >> > -- >> > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: >> > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/****arc/caml-list >> >> > >> > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/****ocaml_beginners >> >> > >> > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-****bugs >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- >> Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: >> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/**arc/caml-list >> Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/**ocaml_beginners >> Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-**bugs >> > > > > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------ > Gerd Stolpmann, Darmstadt, Germany gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de > Creator of GODI and camlcity.org. > Contact details: http://www.camlcity.org/**contact.html > Company homepage: http://www.gerd-stolpmann.de > ------------------------------**------------------------------ > -- > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/**arc/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/**ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-**bugs > --001a11c34c900537ec04d984525a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Having attended the last two OCaml meetings (as it was cal= led at that time), I didn't find OUD very different from previous event= s.
It is not too academic, accessible to "industrial users", = and - I think - interesting for "average users". =A0Also, the atm= osphere and the people attending were not so much different either.

It is also worth mentioning that it gives the OCaml com= munity visibility in this big FP conference (there are single events for Ha= skell, Scheme, F#, so why not OCaml ?).


Esther Baruk


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Gerd St= olpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de> wrote:
Am 03.04.2013 23:21:01 schrieb(en) Gabriel Scherer:

I am also interested in participating to more developer-oriented
conference, preferably about Free Software. I missed the "call for
presentation" of this year FOSDEM but did consider sending something t= here,
and I will looking for a possibility to either talk or simply attend and
listen next year. If you (Gerd, Martin) are also interested, it would
surely be great to have more people from the OCaml community there.

Yes, I'm interested, and Brussels is also in reach. There are also a co= uple of things I could talk about (e.g. multicore in OCaml, or map/reduce i= n OCaml).

Gerd


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>wrote:
> Am 03.04.2013 20:33:17 schrieb(en) Anil Madhavapeddy:
>
> =A0On 3 Apr 2013, at 11:02, Martin Jambon <martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org><= br> >> wrote:
>> >
>> > "Spreading the word widely" doesn't happen like= that - it's the core of
>> the problem.
>> >
>> > In thought the goal was to raise awareness among professional= software
>> developers who might consider trying some more "functional&qu= ot; approaches to
>> programming.
>> > Pardon my cynicism, but this is different from a meeting whos= e goal is
>> to show academics that their pet language was used by that one per= son in
>> that big company and then pat each other on the back.
>>
>> Are you all in a bad mood today or something?
>>
>
> Come on, that's Martin's special humor.
>
>
> =A0That's quite the mischaracterisation of CUFP. Let me sample som= e of the
>> videos from the CUFP website (at http://cufp.org/videos)
>>
>
> In deed, this is all interesting and encouraging, and there is no ques= tion
> that CUFP is an important event. For CUFP, I don't see any problem= of
> colocating it with ICFP. For the researchers this is, as Martin points= out
> in his special way, also a source of motivation. For OUD, the topics a= re
> different, though - it's more practical problems, questions of OCa= ml's
> roadmap, and generally more technical. So I'd make there a differe= nce.
>
> Gerd
>
>
> =A0* Scala at Twitter
>> http://cufp.org/videos/**scaling= -scala-twitter-marius-**eriksen-twitter<http://cufp.org/videos/scaling-scala-twitter-marius-eriksen= -twitter>

>> * Facebook Chat in Erlang
>> http://cufp.org/videos/**functional-programmi= ng-**facebook<http://cufp.org/videos/functio= nal-programming-facebook>

>> * Freebase and Metaweb in OCaml (now part of Google)
>> http://cufp.org/videos/**functional-programming-**
>> freebase-warren-harris-metaweb<http://cufp.org/videos/functional-programming-freebase= -warren-harris-metaweb>

>> * Scheme for games development in Uncharted 3
>> http://cufp.org/videos/**functional= -mzscheme-dsls-game-**development<http://= cufp.org/videos/functional-mzscheme-dsls-game-development= >

>> * F# at Microsoft for biological computing
>> http://cufp.org/videos/using-**f-prove-stabilisa= tion-**
>> biological-networks<http://cuf= p.org/videos/using-f-prove-stabilisation-biological-networks<= /a>>
>> http://cufp.org/videos/f-**embracing-functional-**
>> programming-visual-studio-**2010-luke-hoban-mic<http://cufp.org/videos/f-emb= racing-functional-programming-visual-studio-2010-luke-hoban-m= ic>

>> * Big data at Nokia using Erlang/OCaml:
>> http://cufp.org/videos/disco-**using-e= rlang-implement-**mapreduce<http://cufp.org/= videos/disco-using-erlang-implement-mapreduce>

>>
>> And I haven't even mentioned our usual friends from Citrix or = Jane Street:
>> * http://cufp.org/videos/citrix-**haskell-xenclient<http://cufp.org/videos/citrix-haskell-xenclient&g= t;
>> * http://cufp.org/videos/jane-**street-status-report<= /a><http://cufp.org/videos/jane-street-status-report<= /a>>

>>
>> And many more, of varying size and impact: there's been an int= eresting
>> evolution from the 'bedroom FP user' to large companies th= at use it without
>> blinking an eye. =A0All of this has been tracked by CUFP over the = years,
>> although we unfortunately don't have videos from the earliest = ones.
>>
>> Please do stop directing your ire at a workshop that has done its = best to
>> broaden the appeal of FP for nearly a decade now, and do start thi= nking
>> about getting involved in the (many) open-source events that are o= ut there
>> these days. =A0Anyone can propose talks at places like Strange Loo= p and
>> OSCON, and your travel and registration is often covered by the ev= ent
>> organisers.
>>
>> -anil
>> --
>> Caml-list mailing list. =A0Subscription management and archives:
>> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/**arc/caml-list<https://s= ympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list>
>> Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/**oca= ml_beginners<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_begi= nners>
>> Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-**bugs<http://caml.inria.fr= /bin/caml-bugs>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------**----------------------------= --

> Gerd Stolpmann, Darmstadt, Germany =A0 =A0gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de
> Creator of GODI and = camlcity.org.
> Contact details: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.camlcity.org/**contact.htm= l<http://www.camlcity.org/contact.html>
> Company homepage: =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.gerd-stolpmann.de
> ------------------------------**----------------------------= --

> --
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