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[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 462 bytes --] Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email address, and click to unsubscribe. Regards, Yawar On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com> wrote: > Unsubscribe > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> wrote: > > > > unsubscribe > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 952 bytes --]
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1028 bytes --] On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote: > Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each > message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email > address, and click to unsubscribe. > This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme. So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and not send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list. The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe from this mailing-list" option. Regards, - Xavier Leroy > Regards, > > Yawar > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Unsubscribe >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> >> wrote: >> > >> > unsubscribe >> > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2160 bytes --]
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1751 bytes --] Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at e.g. https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering them to Gmail. Regards, Yawar On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each >> message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to >> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email >> address, and click to unsubscribe. >> > > This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing > problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme. > > So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and not > send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list. > > The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a > working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe > from this mailing-list" option. > > Regards, > > - Xavier Leroy > > >> Regards, >> >> Yawar >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Unsubscribe >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > unsubscribe >>> >> [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3287 bytes --]
Looks like GMail (or something else in the middle) indeed messes with headers. I get the correct headers in the messages received by a self-hosted Postfix: List-Id: <caml-list.inria.fr> List-Help: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=subscribe%20caml-list> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=unsubscribe%20caml-list> List-Post: <mailto:caml-list@inria.fr> List-Owner: <mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr> List-Archive: <http://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list> However, Thunderbird doesn't seem to offer an unsubscribe option based on that header, and I can't remember any email client where I'd have seen that functionality. On 1/5/21 2:42 AM, Yawar Amin wrote: > Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no > 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, > but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at > e.g. https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw > <https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw> > > > And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally > would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something > is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before > delivering them to Gmail. > > Regards, > > Yawar
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1879 bytes --] Gmail and some other clients support it, more details here https://sendgrid.com/blog/list-unsubscribe/ <https://sendgrid.com/blog/list-unsubscribe/#:~:text=List%2Dunsubscribe%20is%20an%20optional,sender%20as%20spam%20or%20junk.> Regards, Yawar On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:52 PM Daniil Baturin <daniil@baturin.org> wrote: > Looks like GMail (or something else in the middle) indeed messes with > headers. > > I get the correct headers in the messages received by a self-hosted > Postfix: > > List-Id: <caml-list.inria.fr> > List-Help: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr > ?subject=subscribe%20caml-list> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr > ?subject=unsubscribe%20caml-list> > List-Post: <mailto:caml-list@inria.fr> > List-Owner: <mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr> > List-Archive: <http://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list> > > However, Thunderbird doesn't seem to offer an unsubscribe option based on > that header, and I can't remember any email client where I'd have seen that > functionality. > > > On 1/5/21 2:42 AM, Yawar Amin wrote: > > Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no > > 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, > > but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at > > e.g. > https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw > > < > https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw > > > > > > > > And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally > > would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something > > is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before > > delivering them to Gmail. > > > > Regards, > > > > Yawar > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3152 bytes --]
By any chance, did you check only for an email that was sent to both
the list and your gmail address? In which case, GMail merges the
different emails into a single email, so it could totally lose some
information.
I just checked for my present account on its GMail web interface and
the list-unsubscribe header is present.
Cheers
Philippe Wang
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at e.g. https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
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> And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering them to Gmail.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yawar
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> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr> wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email address, and click to unsubscribe.
>>
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>> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.
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>> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and not send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.
>>
>> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe from this mailing-list" option.
>>
>> Regards,
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>> - Xavier Leroy
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>>> Regards,
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>>> Yawar
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>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> wrote:
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[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2776 bytes --] Oh, you're right–that seems to be what's happening. I checked messages sent _only_ to the list, and they have the headers as expected. Unfortunately Gmail is still not showing the expected 'Unsubscribe' UI–no doubt part of their continuous A/B testing or something. Regards, Yawar On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:08 PM Philippe Wang <mail@philippewang.info> wrote: > By any chance, did you check only for an email that was sent to both > the list and your gmail address? In which case, GMail merges the > different emails into a single email, so it could totally lose some > information. > > I just checked for my present account on its GMail web interface and > the list-unsubscribe header is present. > > Cheers > Philippe Wang > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no 'List-Unsubscribe' > header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in > the message that gets archived at e.g. > https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw > > > > And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally > would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is > stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering them > to Gmail. > > > > Regards, > > > > Yawar > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr> > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to > each message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email > address, and click to unsubscribe. > >> > >> > >> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing > problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme. > >> > >> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and > not send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list. > >> > >> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a > working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe > from this mailing-list" option. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> - Xavier Leroy > >> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Yawar > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Unsubscribe > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> > wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > unsubscribe > > > > -- > Philippe Wang > mail@philippewang.info > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4192 bytes --]
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