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From: Jesper Louis Andersen <jesper.louis.andersen@gmail.com>
To: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
Cc: Anil Madhavapeddy <anil@recoil.org>,
	caml-list@inria.fr, godi-list@ocaml-programming.de
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:00:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGrdgiV4OgU5gz3Wuz7_sWPtawyK4H-WD8wOQBwrQ3S3sUUtGw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1374572064.25411.2@samsung>

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>wrote:

> But the users had all freedom, including doing releases completely on
> their own (no pull request bureaucracy).


The nice thing about a Git-based solution is that you can just build your
own fork if you want. So you don't have to wait on PRs to fall through,
thought it is certainly better for integration in the longer run to merge
and converge on a single repository. The key thing is that submitting a PR
is actually hard work for the contributor, but easy work for the
integrator. The idea is to make the work of the integrator easy since
he/she is the bottleneck.

I think the central part here is that managing package repositories is
*hard work*. There is a lot of things happening all the time and ensuring
dependency convergence among packages can also be pretty nasty if the
dependency chains grow deep. Yes, you can install multiple versions of
packages, but that does not avoid a common diamond problem of convergence.

Personally, I think the pragmatic action is to rally on one packaging
system. Ocaml is way way too small a community to do otherwise. Said
packaging system may be good or bad, but that is less important. You may
also be a victim of an unfair PR-campaign, but really, such is life in
communities. Technical merit is only part of the whole.


-- 
J.

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-23 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-22 21:21 Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-22 22:32 ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-23  6:49   ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-23  8:46     ` Keyan
2013-07-23  8:57       ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23  9:45         ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-07-23 13:31         ` Marek Kubica
2013-07-24  9:09           ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2013-07-23  9:34   ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23 10:00     ` Jesper Louis Andersen [this message]
2013-07-22 23:44 ` oliver
2013-07-23  0:03   ` Nicolas Braud-Santoni
2013-07-23  1:51 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-24  9:27   ` [Caml-list] " Andreas Hauptmann
2013-07-23  9:07 ` [Caml-list] " Adrien Nader
2013-07-23 10:01   ` AW: " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-23 10:22   ` oliver
2013-07-24  1:55   ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-24  7:03     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-07-24  8:42       ` Jun Furuse
2013-07-24 10:30         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 14:46           ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 12:36       ` AW: [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2013-07-24 14:44         ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 15:58           ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:25             ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 16:36               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-24 16:41                 ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-25 15:21                   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 16:39               ` AW: [Caml-list] " Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:58                 ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 17:06                   ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-24 17:33                   ` Török Edwin
2013-07-24 18:49                     ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-25 15:16               ` [Caml-list] Re: AW: " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 15:29                 ` Leo White
2013-07-25 15:33                   ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 16:39             ` [Caml-list] " Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-24 17:05               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-24 17:56                 ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-24 18:23                   ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 20:43                     ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25  5:32                       ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-25  9:52                         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 21:01                           ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-25  1:32                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-25 15:10                   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 15:23                     ` Christopher Zimmermann
2013-07-25 20:03                       ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-26  1:14                         ` ocamlbuild (was Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down) Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  2:43                           ` Peter Groves
2013-07-26  5:02                           ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-26  5:26                             ` [Caml-list] Re: ocamlbuild Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  7:25                               ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-26  8:07                                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-07-26  9:24                                   ` r.3
2013-07-26 10:48                                 ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-26 11:13                                   ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-26 17:29                                     ` Ashish Agarwal
2013-07-26  5:29                             ` ocamlbuild (was Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI is shutting down) Jeff Meister
2013-07-26  6:14                               ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-07-26 13:48                                 ` Dario Teixeira
2013-07-25 20:18                 ` [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-24 18:04               ` Markus Mottl
2013-07-24 16:18           ` AW: " Matej Kosik
2013-07-24 16:17             ` David Sheets
2013-07-24 16:56               ` Matej Kosik
2013-07-24 17:03                 ` Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-25 15:01                   ` [Caml-list] Re: AW: " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-24 22:05           ` AW: [Caml-list] " Siraaj Khandkar
2013-07-24 22:06           ` Virgile Prevosto
2013-07-24 22:47             ` Amir Chaudhry
2013-07-24 23:03             ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-07-25  5:22               ` Adrien Nader
2013-07-23  9:28 ` [Caml-list] Re: [Godi-list] " Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-07-23 15:32   ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 15:37     ` David Sheets
2013-07-23 15:44     ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-23 16:19       ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 16:26         ` Ashish Agarwal
2013-07-23 16:32         ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-23 16:55       ` Virgile Prevosto
2013-07-28 22:29       ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-07-23 19:38     ` Yaron Minsky
2013-07-23 19:49       ` Pierre-Etienne Meunier
2013-07-23 20:02         ` Yaron Minsky
2013-07-23 22:35 ` [Caml-list] " Mike Lin
2013-07-25 16:10 ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 17:42   ` Daniel Bünzli
2013-07-25 18:52     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 18:28   ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-07-25 19:00     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2013-07-25 19:23       ` Yotam Barnoy

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