From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E868E7FE44 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 00:18:45 +0200 (CEST) IronPort-PHdr: 9a23:+sZVCxL5d7/YkbB0m9mcpTZWNBhigK39O0sv0rFitYgVKfzxwZ3uMQTl6Ol3ixeRBMOAuqoC0LCd6vqocFdDyK7JiGoFfp1IWk1NouQttCtkPvS4D1bmJuXhdS0wEZcKflZk+3amLRodQ56mNBXsq3G/pQQfBg/4fVIsYL+kQsiJ1Y/ujaibwN76W01wnj2zYLd/fl2djD76kY0ou7ZkMbs70RDTo3FFKKx8zGJsIk+PzV6nvp/jtLYqySlbuuog+shcSu26Ov1gFf0LOg87KHg479HHshzKTA3HpidNEzZerh0dODCNuAridpDruCrmv+5z3zncNsrzG/R8dSmr6aojahjojjwAMXZt/HzejME2jqVbpgmmoTRwxofVZMeeM/8oLY3HetZPa2NLRMdaWmRlD8uSYpAUBuwddbJ2poPnplAD6z+zMgehH/jmzCNgh3ns3KR83f53QlKO5xApA99b6Cecl97yLqpHFL3swQ== Authentication-Results: mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; spf=None smtp.pra=Fabrice.Le_fessant@inria.fr; spf=Pass smtp.mailfrom=fabrissimo@gmail.com; spf=None smtp.helo=postmaster@mail-wm0-f49.google.com Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of Fabrice.Le_fessant@inria.fr) identity=pra; client-ip=74.125.82.49; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="fabrissimo@gmail.com"; x-sender="Fabrice.Le_fessant@inria.fr"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: domain of fabrissimo@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=74.125.82.49; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="fabrissimo@gmail.com"; x-sender="fabrissimo@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-wm0-f49.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=74.125.82.49; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="fabrissimo@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-wm0-f49.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CFAABzJoBXhzFSfUpchAcNdganZYwuhQSCHIcgOBQBAQEBAQEBAREBAQEIDQkJIS+CMoIaAQEEAQEREUsLBQsLCw0NHQICIgYMAQUBChIGARISAg6HdAMPCAkFoSSBMT4xizuKcwOEMAEBAQEiEIpkhByDJoJaBYZSDIcmixCFI2mCeoI/gwqCOIx0iCMOhh4wgQ8PD4QnPDKHfYE1AQEB X-IPAS-Result: A0CFAABzJoBXhzFSfUpchAcNdganZYwuhQSCHIcgOBQBAQEBAQEBAREBAQEIDQkJIS+CMoIaAQEEAQEREUsLBQsLCw0NHQICIgYMAQUBChIGARISAg6HdAMPCAkFoSSBMT4xizuKcwOEMAEBAQEiEIpkhByDJoJaBYZSDIcmixCFI2mCeoI/gwqCOIx0iCMOhh4wgQ8PD4QnPDKHfYE1AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,332,1464645600"; d="scan'208,217";a="226130282" Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-GCM-SHA256; 09 Jul 2016 00:18:16 +0200 Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id f126so26846538wma.1 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HiFL/biCeLmlxZE2o9y8aHebHzwv71WEPr6wUZfK9S8=; b=nIGe5DZOYeAnpgPTobhvZKfCk3Y3XwBW7BTZRsl4yWEmlf25WCVNWnX4rvcSXguVU2 bzhxB9XER5TgVUXUHKgTAm8U2UkHFXEGSYoMy7P9Z0B7mQQfuaE9snvATFS8jNU/U9dp WdHuggxCU4OAAygf2kW/HTBCGNcr2nAF4e7gsZoOq2cgw0os3pUAGuxphKngTx5o0cpP 8QkZEDA3yY2jpqU4Cq0EaWJTAtKid2oQWQ3gFyWePRHl2h4CnB5WCpGAjD+LhqNyIb6N fVau9+KZPJFXEOX9gUUlGk57eOhSWqTe2o0i6ybRy3jMZGzcVtlAcgXlLvkkXih0tF8L fwUA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIQUAiI6a6jSZSBl3KuhAlzeW/ny+lF5bUPfc4NXGLqQNBtyQjFWra4V/gPSsPq4/xtCjyAjMz0WZtC5A== X-Received: by 10.28.165.5 with SMTP id o5mr5465059wme.87.1468016296046; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20160704144512.GB2458@Razor> <20160708215630.GC1723@tiger> In-Reply-To: <20160708215630.GC1723@tiger> From: Fabrice Le Fessant Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:18:06 +0000 Message-ID: To: SP , Duane Johnson Cc: Gabriel Scherer , Dean Thompson , "caml-list@inria.fr" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114ba764d9b4250537272d9f Subject: Re: [Caml-list] how to encourage adoption of OCaml? --001a114ba764d9b4250537272d9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, OCaml is an old programming language... It was still using SVN until last year :-) Anyway, I am not fond of the multiplication of communication channels, they tend to divide an already small community into smaller groups, and it becomes hard to remain up-to-date with latest information. For example, a lot of discussions are now happening on Github pull-requests, either in ocaml/ocaml or ocaml/opam-repository, and if you don't keep an eye on them, you might soon discover that important decisions have been taken without most of the community knowing it. For the mailing-list, I think that hosting it on ocaml.org would be better, with a simple name like "ocaml-users@ocaml.org ", that would be an alias for "ocaml-users@lists.ocaml.org ". I have no time to go on IRC, so I don't really care about it, but I think that we miss something in the middle between mailing-lists and IRC, which is a forum that would be hosted on ocaml.org (ocaml.org/forum ?). I used to go on some BB forums at some point, I am pretty sure we could use something like that, or one of its more recent clones (but not a proprietary website). Such forums are quite practical, as you can both monitor them to answer questions immediately (=C3=A0 la IRC) without filling your inbox, and still be able to come from time to time and look at former discussions. --Fabrice On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:57 PM SP wrote: > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 09:16:09AM -0600, Duane Johnson wrote: > >- my first impression of OCaml community was through reddit.com/r/ocaml. > [..] > >- next, I tried to find a google group. [..] > >- signing up for a mailing list is slow and unrewarding. I'd much rather > >sign up for a more modern community technology like reddit, facebook, > >slack, or google groups. > > Those are very noisy environments and rather unpractical mediums. I use > reddit to kill time not be productive. Sure exposure there might pull > more wondering people. I get the impression that is hardly on anyone's > top list here. > > >- I looked for a chat community, and IRC is the only option. This signals > >"old tech community" to me. Slack or gitter.im is a more inclusive, > modern > >community. In order to participate in IRC, one must always be connected. > > Understood and appreciated. But the merrits of IRC and the mailing list > are still there. Give them some time to see them. Less glitter, but more > distributed and more accessible for people taking this seriously. Slack > and Gitter are proprietary systems... Just sharing with you the > perspective from the other side. Look past the chrome. > > -- > SP > > -- > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs > --001a114ba764d9b4250537272d9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, OCaml is an old programming language... It was still = using SVN until last year :-)

Anyway, I am not fond of t= he multiplication of communication channels, they tend to divide an already= small community into smaller groups, and it becomes hard to remain up-to-d= ate with latest information. For example, a lot of discussions are now happ= ening on Github pull-requests, either in ocaml/ocaml or ocaml/opam-reposito= ry, and if you don't keep an eye on them, you might soon discover that = important decisions have been taken without most of the community knowing i= t.

For the mailing-list, I think that hosting it o= n ocaml.org would be better, with a simple= name like "ocaml-users@ocaml.org", that would be an alias for "ocaml-users@lists.ocaml.org". I have no time to go on IRC,= so I don't really care about it, but I think that we miss something in= the middle between mailing-lists and IRC, which is a forum that would be h= osted on ocaml.org (ocaml.org/forum ?). I used to go on some BB forums at some= point, I am pretty sure we could use something like that, or one of its mo= re recent clones (but not a proprietary website). Such forums are quite pra= ctical, as you can both monitor them to answer questions immediately (=C3= =A0 la IRC) without filling your inbox, and still be able to come from time= to time and look at former discussions.

--Fabrice=


= On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:57 PM SP <sp@orbitalfox.com> wrote:
O= n Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 09:16:09AM -0600, Duane Johnson wrote:
>- my first impression of OCaml community was through reddit.com/r/ocaml= . [..]
>- next, I tried to find a google group. [..]
>- signing up for a mailing list is slow and unrewarding. I'd much r= ather
>sign up for a more modern community technology like reddit, facebook, >slack, or google groups.

Those are very noisy environments and rather unpractical mediums. I use
reddit to kill time not be productive. Sure exposure there might pull
more wondering people. I get the impression that is hardly on anyone's<= br> top list here.

>- I looked for a chat community, and IRC is the only option. This signa= ls
>"old tech community" to me. Slack or gitter.im is a more inclusive= , modern
>community. In order to participate in IRC, one must always be connected= .

Understood and appreciated. But the merrits of IRC and the mailing list
are still there. Give them some time to see them. Less glitter, but more
distributed and more accessible for people taking this seriously. Slack
and Gitter are proprietary systems... Just sharing with you the
perspective from the other side. Look past the chrome.

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