From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65AFA7EE51 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:31:41 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of fabrissimo@gmail.com) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.128.172; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="fabrissimo@gmail.com"; x-sender="fabrissimo@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: domain of fabrissimo@gmail.com designates 209.85.128.172 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.128.172; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="fabrissimo@gmail.com"; x-sender="fabrissimo@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-ve0-f172.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.128.172; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="fabrissimo@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-ve0-f172.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjACAOCtpVHRVYCsm2dsb2JhbABZxj0IFg4BAQEBAQYLCwkUKIIjAQEEAUABOAEDAQsBBQUEBw0uIhIBBQEcBhMIDIdnAwkGnGiPPIUpJw2IVwEFDJJkA5c7j1sWKYFdglo6 X-IPAS-Result: AjACAOCtpVHRVYCsm2dsb2JhbABZxj0IFg4BAQEBAQYLCwkUKIIjAQEEAUABOAEDAQsBBQUEBw0uIhIBBQEcBhMIDIdnAwkGnGiPPIUpJw2IVwEFDJJkA5c7j1sWKYFdglo6 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,763,1363129200"; d="scan'208";a="16029825" Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com ([209.85.128.172]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 29 May 2013 09:31:40 +0200 Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id jz10so1199925veb.17 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 00:31:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XDRPmNk8PqUk0ZROFmGTSB5T3Fd3SUMibaJ0YPXJ47Y=; b=UWKK5uH4EorNCXGFq5BXSxJtTtrToSIZwJpFt/OllOl/6AkDL1MxwpOiTAVWF7cpK2 pj1KrUTwPi1SjdsdcFBe66ADV/lNbDe86AZMkEP6gPRJbgfLqxno31nxdkCajn10/AuE zahkoF61ayn6nZ0O5hVaLLuL3dgIuDo7rBgbejPWa2Ggr+iVHlcIJSjLnINbOTfdvMaV FJzWXZII7gvrUjUZyymYbAiIQXNNeieZjYuXDS/2wprUk9swyMIQMsIDFKUWrWf1PLwM veU3GQ13mvcuLPHVuATLyTfg6U4Te1mr7JmY53FA1bo2SpaZZ6YG44qpXjENrrXgfs6K a0Uw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.94.204 with SMTP id de12mr707720vdb.47.1369812699785; Wed, 29 May 2013 00:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: fabrissimo@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.83.67 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 00:31:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51A59C38.30805@rktmb.org> References: <20130523235355.GI6510@siouxsie> <20130526150008.GA2014@siouxsie> <20130526234911.41866xca7wgoirfb@webmail.in-berlin.de> <51A30E01.5070300@freenet.de> <20130527185345.e01a7733ac652f89f4e400f7@mega-nerd.com> <51A353BE.5030009@freenet.de> <51A40590.4090501@riken.jp> <20130528024413.GA4602@siouxsie> <51A4272F.8050803@riken.jp> <20130528123620.GA2013@siouxsie> <51A59C38.30805@rktmb.org> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:31:39 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HIcBNswMmEd9BzHWmcSNUowg2UY Message-ID: From: Fabrice Le Fessant To: Mihamina Rakotomandimby Cc: Ocaml Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec501651f61316604ddd65fbe Subject: Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) --bcaec501651f61316604ddd65fbe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I completely agree with the fact that one of our main targets should be "decision makers" (project managers, etc.). For them, we still need to make OCaml appear as a mainstream language, with all the ecosystem that they would find for any other mainstream language. It requires to communicate a lot, publish blog posts about OCaml, talk about OCaml and projects written in OCaml in mainstream websites (StackOverflow, Reddit, etc.), and, as I said before, it should be an effort done by the whole community. It might appear less fun than hacking your preferred project, but on the long term, it may be more effective in the modern world. --Fabrice On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > On 2013-05-28 15:36, oliver wrote: > > I also had the goal to attract people to OCaml, years ago. > Today it's not necessary to me to have more OCaml-prorammers around me. > I use OCaml for my own stuff, and if the jobs affords C, Perl, Python, > I possibly will mention OCaml, but don't dream about decision makers > really to adopt it. > I stopped dreaming about this issue. > > > I keep hoping/dreaming my side :-) > > -- > RMA. > > -- Fabrice LE FESSANT Chercheur en Informatique INRIA Paris Rocquencourt -- OCamlPro Programming Languages and Distributed Systems --bcaec501651f61316604ddd65fbe Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I completely agree with the fact that one of our main targ= ets should be "decision makers" (project managers, etc.). For the= m, we still need to make OCaml appear as a mainstream language, with all th= e ecosystem that they would find for any other mainstream language. It requ= ires to communicate a lot, publish blog posts about OCaml, talk about OCaml= and projects written in OCaml in mainstream websites (StackOverflow, Reddi= t, etc.), and, as I said before, it should be an effort done by the whole c= ommunity. It might appear less fun than hacking your preferred project, but= on the long term, it may be more effective in the modern world.

--Fabrice


On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby <= span dir=3D"ltr"><mihamina@rktmb.org> wrote:
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On 2013-05-28 15:36, oliver wrote:
I also had the goal to attract people to OCaml, years ago.
Today it's not necessary to me to have more OCaml-prorammers around me.
I use OCaml for my own stuff, and if the jobs affords C, Perl, Python,
I possibly will mention OCaml, but don't dream about decision makers
really to adopt it.
I stopped dreaming about this issue.

I keep hoping/dreaming my side :-)

--=20
RMA.



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Fabrice LE F= ESSANT
Chercheur en Informatique
INRIA Paris Rocquencourt -- OCamlPro=
Programming Languages and Distributed Systems
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