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@ 2021-01-04 16:44 Adam Johnson
2021-01-04 16:57 ` Van Chan Ngo
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From: Adam Johnson @ 2021-01-04 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2021-01-04 16:44 [Caml-list] unsubscribe Adam Johnson
@ 2021-01-04 16:57 ` Van Chan Ngo
2021-01-04 17:28 ` Yawar Amin
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From: Van Chan Ngo @ 2021-01-04 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: caml-list
Unsubscribe
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> wrote:
>
> unsubscribe
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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
2021-01-04 16:57 ` Van Chan Ngo
@ 2021-01-04 17:28 ` Yawar Amin
2021-01-04 18:32 ` Xavier Leroy
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From: Yawar Amin @ 2021-01-04 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Van Chan Ngo; +Cc: caml-list
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Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each
message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to
https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email address,
and click to unsubscribe.
Regards,
Yawar
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unsubscribe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> wrote:
> >
> > unsubscribe
>
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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
2021-01-04 17:28 ` Yawar Amin
@ 2021-01-04 18:32 ` Xavier Leroy
2021-01-04 19:42 ` Yawar Amin
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From: Xavier Leroy @ 2021-01-04 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yawar Amin; +Cc: Van Chan Ngo, caml-list, Adam Johnson
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On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each
> message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to
> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email
> address, and click to unsubscribe.
>
This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing
problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.
So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and not
send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.
The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a
working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe
from this mailing-list" option.
Regards,
- Xavier Leroy
> Regards,
>
> Yawar
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Unsubscribe
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > unsubscribe
>>
>
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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
2021-01-04 18:32 ` Xavier Leroy
@ 2021-01-04 19:42 ` Yawar Amin
2021-01-04 19:51 ` Daniil Baturin
2021-01-04 21:07 ` Philippe Wang
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From: Yawar Amin @ 2021-01-04 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Xavier Leroy; +Cc: Van Chan Ngo, caml-list, Adam Johnson
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Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no 'List-Unsubscribe'
header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in
the message that gets archived at e.g.
https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally
would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is
stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering them
to Gmail.
Regards,
Yawar
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each
>> message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to
>> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email
>> address, and click to unsubscribe.
>>
>
> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing
> problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.
>
> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and not
> send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.
>
> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a
> working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe
> from this mailing-list" option.
>
> Regards,
>
> - Xavier Leroy
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yawar
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unsubscribe
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > unsubscribe
>>>
>>
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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
2021-01-04 19:42 ` Yawar Amin
@ 2021-01-04 19:51 ` Daniil Baturin
2021-01-04 20:04 ` Yawar Amin
2021-01-04 21:07 ` Philippe Wang
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From: Daniil Baturin @ 2021-01-04 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: caml-list
Looks like GMail (or something else in the middle) indeed messes with
headers.
I get the correct headers in the messages received by a self-hosted Postfix:
List-Id: <caml-list.inria.fr>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=subscribe%20caml-list>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=unsubscribe%20caml-list>
List-Post: <mailto:caml-list@inria.fr>
List-Owner: <mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr>
List-Archive: <http://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list>
However, Thunderbird doesn't seem to offer an unsubscribe option based on that header, and I can't remember any email client where I'd have seen that functionality.
On 1/5/21 2:42 AM, Yawar Amin wrote:
> Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no
> 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox,
> but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at
> e.g. https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
> <https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw>
>
>
> And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally
> would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something
> is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before
> delivering them to Gmail.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yawar
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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
2021-01-04 19:51 ` Daniil Baturin
@ 2021-01-04 20:04 ` Yawar Amin
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From: Yawar Amin @ 2021-01-04 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daniil Baturin; +Cc: Ocaml Mailing List
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Gmail and some other clients support it, more details here
https://sendgrid.com/blog/list-unsubscribe/
<https://sendgrid.com/blog/list-unsubscribe/#:~:text=List%2Dunsubscribe%20is%20an%20optional,sender%20as%20spam%20or%20junk.>
Regards,
Yawar
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:52 PM Daniil Baturin <daniil@baturin.org> wrote:
> Looks like GMail (or something else in the middle) indeed messes with
> headers.
>
> I get the correct headers in the messages received by a self-hosted
> Postfix:
>
> List-Id: <caml-list.inria.fr>
> List-Help: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr?subject=help>
> List-Subscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr
> ?subject=subscribe%20caml-list>
> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:sympa_inria@inria.fr
> ?subject=unsubscribe%20caml-list>
> List-Post: <mailto:caml-list@inria.fr>
> List-Owner: <mailto:caml-list-request@inria.fr>
> List-Archive: <http://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list>
>
> However, Thunderbird doesn't seem to offer an unsubscribe option based on
> that header, and I can't remember any email client where I'd have seen that
> functionality.
>
>
> On 1/5/21 2:42 AM, Yawar Amin wrote:
> > Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no
> > 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox,
> > but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at
> > e.g.
> https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
> > <
> https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
> >
> >
> >
> > And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally
> > would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something
> > is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before
> > delivering them to Gmail.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yawar
>
>
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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
2021-01-04 19:42 ` Yawar Amin
2021-01-04 19:51 ` Daniil Baturin
@ 2021-01-04 21:07 ` Philippe Wang
2021-01-04 21:26 ` Yawar Amin
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From: Philippe Wang @ 2021-01-04 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yawar Amin; +Cc: caml-list
By any chance, did you check only for an email that was sent to both
the list and your gmail address? In which case, GMail merges the
different emails into a single email, so it could totally lose some
information.
I just checked for my present account on its GMail web interface and
the list-unsubscribe header is present.
Cheers
Philippe Wang
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no 'List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at e.g. https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
>
> And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering them to Gmail.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yawar
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to each message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email address, and click to unsubscribe.
>>
>>
>> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.
>>
>> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and not send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.
>>
>> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe from this mailing-list" option.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> - Xavier Leroy
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Yawar
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > unsubscribe
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mail@philippewang.info
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* Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe
2021-01-04 21:07 ` Philippe Wang
@ 2021-01-04 21:26 ` Yawar Amin
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From: Yawar Amin @ 2021-01-04 21:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: caml-list
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Oh, you're right–that seems to be what's happening. I checked messages sent
_only_ to the list, and they have the headers as expected. Unfortunately
Gmail is still not showing the expected 'Unsubscribe' UI–no doubt part of
their continuous A/B testing or something.
Regards,
Yawar
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:08 PM Philippe Wang <mail@philippewang.info> wrote:
> By any chance, did you check only for an email that was sent to both
> the list and your gmail address? In which case, GMail merges the
> different emails into a single email, so it could totally lose some
> information.
>
> I just checked for my present account on its GMail web interface and
> the list-unsubscribe header is present.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe Wang
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, this is puzzling indeed–I notice there's no 'List-Unsubscribe'
> header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in
> the message that gets archived at e.g.
> https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=h3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
> >
> > And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally
> would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is
> stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering them
> to Gmail.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yawar
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to
> each message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to
> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email
> address, and click to unsubscribe.
> >>
> >>
> >> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing
> problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.
> >>
> >> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and
> not send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.
> >>
> >> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a
> working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscribe
> from this mailing-list" option.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> - Xavier Leroy
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Yawar
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Unsubscribe
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev>
> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > unsubscribe
>
>
>
> --
> Philippe Wang
> mail@philippewang.info
>
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@ 2022-06-16 12:57 Gustave Nimant
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* Re: [Caml-list] string_of_float (0.1 +. 0.2)
@ 2022-06-16 6:24 Oleg
2022-06-16 9:01 ` Andreas Rossberg
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From: Oleg @ 2022-06-16 6:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: asai; +Cc: caml-list
Actually the similar problem of accurately conveying floats also
occurs in MetaOCaml/Code generation. After all, what you are doing is
a sort of reflection.
First of all, accurate (lossless) printing of floats is a research
area in itself. The latest result is
http://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/cs257/archive/florian-loitsch/printf.pdf
https://github.com/google/double-conversion
Perhaps some day it can be incorporated in OCaml, so that
string_of_float truly returns *the* printable representation of a float.
Hexademical printout (which is also supported in C)
mentioned by Daniel Buenzli is another way -- provided we don't
actually have to look at the printed value, because we probably won't
understand it anyway.
In practice in our recent project, we settled on
let float : float -> float cde = fun x ->
let str = if Float.is_integer x then string_of_float x else
Printf.sprintf "%.17g" x
which seems to work well. At least, it solved the problems when the
results of our generated signal processing code differed slightly from
the results of the hand-written reference C code, due to slightly
different printed FP values in FP array initializers (filter
coefficients). We used to use string_of_float back then. With the
above float, the problem is solved.
I have to add that float above does not account for NaN, plus/minus
infinity and -0. So, the fully production code also has to add these
cases.
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* Re: [Caml-list] string_of_float (0.1 +. 0.2)
2022-06-16 6:24 [Caml-list] string_of_float (0.1 +. 0.2) Oleg
@ 2022-06-16 9:01 ` Andreas Rossberg
2022-06-16 9:14 ` [Caml-list] unsubscribe Jean-Denis EIDEN JEAN-DENIS
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From: Andreas Rossberg @ 2022-06-16 9:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Oleg; +Cc: asai, caml-list
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Since I believe it hasn’t been stated explicitly in this thread yet, a reminder that it is generally _impossible_ to represent arbitrary float values accurately (and finitely) in decimal notation. Except for few cases, you will have to cut off and round at some point.
But that doesn’t necessarily mean that round-tripping between text and binary loses precision, as long as the rounding is precise enough for both binary-to-text and text-to-binary conversion. Though as Oleg points out, that is not an easy problem.
> On 16. 6. 2022, at 08:24, Oleg <oleg@okmij.org> wrote:
>
> In practice in our recent project, we settled on
>
> let float : float -> float cde = fun x ->
> let str = if Float.is_integer x then string_of_float x else
> Printf.sprintf "%.17g" x
"%.17g" is what we use in the WebAssembly reference interpreter as well. Plus, we do some extra work to also preserve -0.0 and NaNs. Simplified a bit, it's something like this:
let float_to_string x =
let x' = abs_float x in
(if Int64.bits_of_float x < 0L then "-" else "") ^
if x' <> x' then
let payload = Int64.(logand (bits_of_float x') 0x000f_ffff_ffff_ffffL) in
"nan:0x" ^ Printf.sprintf "%Lx" payload
else
let s = Printf.sprintf "%.17g" x' in
if s.[String.length s - 1] = '.' then s ^ "0" else s
Our of_string function recognises the special NaN syntax accordingly.
/Andreas
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