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boundary="000000000000f10f7b05b819bd2e" Subject: Re: [Caml-list] unsubscribe Reply-To: Yawar Amin X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Sequence: 18342 Errors-To: caml-list-owner@inria.fr Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: caml-list-request@inria.fr X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: --000000000000f10f7b05b819bd2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, you're right=E2=80=93that seems to be what's happening. I checked messa= ges sent _only_ to the list, and they have the headers as expected. Unfortunately Gmail is still not showing the expected 'Unsubscribe' UI=E2=80=93no doubt p= art of their continuous A/B testing or something. Regards, Yawar On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:08 PM Philippe Wang wrote= : > By any chance, did you check only for an email that was sent to both > the list and your gmail address? In which case, GMail merges the > different emails into a single email, so it could totally lose some > information. > > I just checked for my present account on its GMail web interface and > the list-unsubscribe header is present. > > Cheers > Philippe Wang > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM Yawar Amin wrote: > > > > Actually, this is puzzling indeed=E2=80=93I notice there's no 'List-Uns= ubscribe' > header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, but it _is_ present in > the message that gets archived at e.g. > https://inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=3Dh3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=3D= aScYeCzRc9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw > > > > And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it normally > would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks like something is > stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers before delivering th= em > to Gmail. > > > > Regards, > > > > Yawar > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin wrote= : > >>> > >>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically add (to > each message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your email > address, and click to unsubscribe. > >> > >> > >> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causing > problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme. > >> > >> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stupid and > not send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list. > >> > >> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every message, and a > working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an "unsubscrib= e > from this mailing-list" option. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> - Xavier Leroy > >> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Yawar > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Unsubscribe > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson > wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > unsubscribe > > > > -- > Philippe Wang > mail@philippewang.info > --000000000000f10f7b05b819bd2e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh, you're right=E2=80=93that seems to be what's h= appening. I checked messages sent _only_ to the list, and they have the hea= ders as expected. Unfortunately Gmail is still not showing the expected = 9;Unsubscribe' UI=E2=80=93no doubt part of their continuous A/B testing= or something.

Regards,

Yawar

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:08 PM Philippe Wang <mail@philippewang.info> wrote:=
By any chance, = did you check only for an email that was sent to both
the list and your gmail address? In which case, GMail merges the
different emails into a single email, so it could totally lose some
information.

I just checked for my present account on its GMail web interface and
the list-unsubscribe header is present.

Cheers
Philippe Wang

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, this is puzzling indeed=E2=80=93I notice there's no '= ;List-Unsubscribe' header in the messages that reach my Gmail inbox, bu= t it _is_ present in the message that gets archived at e.g. https:/= /inbox.ocaml.org/caml-list/CAH=3Dh3gEOoMUBezUb3NoXvksX34ke3etP8=3DaScYeCzRc= 9p-ehrg@mail.gmail.com/raw
>
> And in fact Gmail is not showing the 'unsubscribe' UI that it = normally would if it found the 'List-Unsubscribe' header. Looks lik= e something is stripping out the 'List-*' and perhaps other headers= before delivering them to Gmail.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yawar
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:33 PM Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr> wrote: >>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:28 PM Yawar Amin <yawar.amin@gmail.com> wrote: >>>
>>> Perhaps this mailing list can be configured to automatically a= dd (to each message) instructions for unsubscribing? I.e. go to https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/signoff/caml-list , enter your= email address, and click to unsubscribe.
>>
>>
>> This used to be the case, but such rewriting of messages was causi= ng problems with DKIM and other email integrity checking scheme.
>>
>> So, currently, we're just relying on subscribers to not be stu= pid and not send "unsubscribe" messages to the whole list.
>>
>> The proper "List-Unsubscribe" header is added to every m= essage, and a working e-mail client should take advantage of it to offer an= "unsubscribe from this mailing-list" option.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> - Xavier Leroy
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Yawar
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:58 AM Van Chan Ngo <chan.ngo2203@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Adam Johnson <adamjohnson@nhyne.dev> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > unsubscribe



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