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Gabriel, I surveyed a few of the IRC lurkers. The sense I get from their reactions is that they wouldn't want to leave IRC (which makes sense) but would be open to a gitter room that connected to IRC via a bridge. This means that to establish the gitter room + bridge we need to: 1. Create the gitter room on the gitter site. This must be done by someone with OCaml github credentials. 2. Follow the instructions on https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-gitter using an OCaml server. The bridge must have access to github credentials as well. 3. Add the new room to the ocaml.org community page. Involves a simple PR. On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Yotam Barnoy wrot= e: > I just asked on the neovim gitter, and the service they use to bridge > with IRC is this one: > https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-gitter > > Every aspiring programmer has a github account at this point. It's > just reality. Even without one, you get to view gitter chat in > realtime. IRC requires a bunch of extra arcane knowledge that most > beginners aren't willing to learn, to a large degree because IRC is > simply not being used actively anymore. > > Listen -- you can always dismiss features, and like I said, > programmers tend to believe that what they use is the best and > everything new or different is unnecessary. I get it -- I think like > that automatically as well. I think we have to look beyond that -- > many of the advantages of new technologies seem minor but they add up. > People were giving the same kinds of rebuttals to moving to github > before that move was made (though I don't think the improvement will > be anywhere near that delta). > > Perhaps the key thing to grasp here is this: we're competing with > other languages and ecosystems for programmers. We need to be as > attractive as possible. This competitiveness must take into account > knowledge of the current tools and the impressions they leave on > users. As soon as there's a hurdle in the way, many potential > newcomers will be lost. The additional benefits to existing community > members are there as well, but they're harder to talk about tangibly > until we experiment with the new communication channels. > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Glen M=C3=A9vel = wrote: >> Yotam Barnoy a =C3=A9crit (le 10/07/2016 =C3=A0 16:47) : >> >>> [=E2=80=A6] I've found gitter to be ideal for this, much more so than I= RC >>> (which has a high barrier-of-entry). >> >> what is so complicated about using the web interface to IRC [1]=E2=80=AF? >> >> what about the barrier=E2=80=90of=E2=80=90entry to that gitter? i=E2=80= =99ve never heard of it >> before and i=E2=80=99m not sure what=E2=80=99s so new there (apart from = the built=E2=80=90in >> persistence), but as i understood, it is a github service so it would >> require a github account (and to accept to be publicly linked to that >> github account, and to rely on proprietary solutions, etc=C2=B7), wherea= s IRC >> requires nothing. >> >>> I'll enquire on IRC (just connecting requires me using an annoying >>> service like IRCCloud, which shows the problem -- I can't even post >>> the question and get a notification about a response.) >> >> at least the web interface mentionned above does notify you, and even >> plays a sound iirc. if you are not served within the hour and want to >> stay 24 hours a day to finally see your answer, then structured forums >> are better fit to your use than messy instant messaging anyway. >> >> -- >> Glen M=C3=A9vel >> >> [1]: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=3D#ocaml >> >> p=C2=B7s=C2=B7: >> >>> b. there are tools to scrape gitter history in existence, making the >>> fact that they're proprietary fairly irrelevant. >> >> the point about proprietary systems is not a mere matter of retrieving >> history=E2=80=A6 >>