From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F89B7F709 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:24:09 +0100 (CET) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of yotambarnoy@gmail.com) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.128.41; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="yotambarnoy@gmail.com"; x-sender="yotambarnoy@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: domain of yotambarnoy@gmail.com designates 209.85.128.41 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.128.41; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="yotambarnoy@gmail.com"; x-sender="yotambarnoy@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-qe0-f41.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.128.41; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="yotambarnoy@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-qe0-f41.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0EAMen1lLRVYAplGdsb2JhbABZg0NWsiSIW4ENCBYOAQEBAQcLCwkSKoIlAQEBAwFAARsdAQMBCwYFCw0uIgERAQUBHAYTh28BAwkIDZwgjFyDCZFZChknDWSEfREBBQyOcweENwSJR45ZgTCLLINMGCmEdx4 X-IPAS-Result: Aj0EAMen1lLRVYAplGdsb2JhbABZg0NWsiSIW4ENCBYOAQEBAQcLCwkSKoIlAQEBAwFAARsdAQMBCwYFCw0uIgERAQUBHAYTh28BAwkIDZwgjFyDCZFZChknDWSEfREBBQyOcweENwSJR45ZgTCLLINMGCmEdx4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,663,1384297200"; d="scan'208";a="44907584" Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com ([209.85.128.41]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 15 Jan 2014 16:23:51 +0100 Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i11so1167934qej.28 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:23:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=USh9QX/+bW3JFRVDTJ4kDB8+74w3PNklTtu8p/G2UsQ=; b=nfLtMTj5rXM8rr2Bh5iEbFfXxIEUmssTbn445FJAsqcdmgndRibLNnS1q2+lX8Rray 80qyDtQp9ronD0NiSUhszAJSKBDiI+joB2BWJKmf/f9DuLLNVAgH3ZlUtt5F3sZPoM73 8UK7zZQLZ+vTekzs73cb40jplDGarHxKKqkd90OS3DY2/7Asn3b22WUqhWJzTeRuEWQP JIIEnGcb9J7A0Da+kXLZJFnowhjHEAQAzUxuX7qJsV2b0E6jxMn/tpuqM2QK95V/+hrH fNWyFakcp0RrBlYrAqcQHFLVJHZj4h5gSYcvuwDcXdAACqnykx3iUM7nio3sbaVK/WrB ZHOQ== X-Received: by 10.229.56.200 with SMTP id z8mr5651179qcg.1.1389799430456; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:23:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.95.8 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:23:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20140115090434.GA10113@notk.org> References: <20140115090434.GA10113@notk.org> From: Yotam Barnoy Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: To: Adrien Nader Cc: Ocaml Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113308a45c8c1e04f003e5ea Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Google summer of code --001a113308a45c8c1e04f003e5ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I actually don't think it's very hard to apply (in general). The requirements page is here ( http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page?ModPagespeed=noscript#1._How_does_a_mentoring_organization). It's certainly much easier than applying for a grant. Having participated as a mentor in another organization, and having seen the application process every year, I can say that the main part is coming up with a webpage full of ideas for projects. I think that already exists partially on the ocamllabs wiki. I'd really like to see that wiki be centralized and available from the ocaml.org site. The key thing is to figure out which projects are doable by people in one summer. The next step is that people need to volunteer for mentorship. Even 2 people are enough for a start, but 3-4 are better. Finally, one person takes on the process of filling out the application and submitting it. One of the things that concern google, as can be seen in the webpage, is that there's enough effort from the mentors to a. weed out the poor candidates and b. be in touch with/demand enough from the candidates to make sure that they're actually working and not just slacking off for the summer. In my old organization, the participants had to post blog updates every week or so about their progress. Other than that, there's not much to it. -Yotam On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Adrien Nader wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014, Yotam Barnoy wrote: > > Dear List > > > > Are there plans to apply for GSOC mentorship this year? Searching online > > yielded only a rejected application from 2011. Applications for mentor > > organizations are due February 14th. > > Then, if nothing has been started yet, it's probably already too late. > GSoC is fairly constraining and time-consuming. Nowadays, projects which > manage to do it have actually gotten experienced at it and this makes it > more difficult for new participants: they don't only have to do things > well, they have to do things better than projects which have been doing > it for 10 years. > > There's also a feeling that Google doesn't care about what happens in > OCaml-land (that's mostly speculation). > > I believe it might be worth trying again. Many things have changed and > the projects that could be worked on now might appeal more to the GSoC > organizers. That would be for 2015 in my opinion though. > > Regards, > Adrien Nader > > > --001a113308a45c8c1e04f003e5ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I actually don't think it's ve= ry hard to apply (in general). The requirements page is here (ht= tp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014= /help_page?ModPagespeed=3Dnoscript#1._How_does_a_mentoring_organization= ). It's certainly much easier than applying for a grant.

Having participated as a mentor in another organization, and havi= ng seen the application process every year, I can say that the main part is= coming up with a webpage full of ideas for projects. I think that already = exists partially on the ocamllabs wiki. I'd really like to see that wik= i be centralized and available from the ocaml.= org site. The key thing is to figure out which projects are doable by p= eople in one summer. The next step is that people need to volunteer for men= torship. Even 2 people are enough for a start, but 3-4 are better. Finally,= one person takes on the process of filling out the application and submitt= ing it.

One of the things that concern google, as can be seen in the webp= age, is that there's enough effort from the mentors to
a. weed out = the poor candidates and
b. be in touch with/demand enough from the cand= idates to make sure that they're actually working and not just slacking= off for the summer. In my old organization, the participants had to post b= log updates every week or so about their progress.

Other than that, there's not much to it.

-Yotam<= br>



On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Adrien Nader <adrien@= notk.org> wrote:
Hi,

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014, Yotam Barnoy wrote:
> Dear List
>
> Are there plans to apply for GSOC mentorship this year? Searching onli= ne
> yielded only a rejected application from 2011. Applications for mentor=
> organizations are due February 14th.

Then, if nothing has been started yet, it's probably alread= y too late.
GSoC is fairly constraining and time-consuming. Nowadays, projects which
manage to do it have actually gotten experienced at it and this makes it
more difficult for new participants: they don't only have to do things<= br> well, they have to do things better than projects which have been doing
it for 10 years.

There's also a feeling that Google doesn't care about what happens = in
OCaml-land (that's mostly speculation).

I believe it might be worth trying again. Many things have changed and
the projects that could be worked on now might appeal more to the GSoC
organizers. That would be for 2015 in my opinion though.

Regards,
Adrien Nader



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