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I just asked on the neovim gitter, and the service they use to bridge with IRC is this one: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-gitter Every aspiring programmer has a github account at this point. It's just reality. Even without one, you get to view gitter chat in realtime. IRC requires a bunch of extra arcane knowledge that most beginners aren't willing to learn, to a large degree because IRC is simply not being used actively anymore. Listen -- you can always dismiss features, and like I said, programmers tend to believe that what they use is the best and everything new or different is unnecessary. I get it -- I think like that automatically as well. I think we have to look beyond that -- many of the advantages of new technologies seem minor but they add up. People were giving the same kinds of rebuttals to moving to github before that move was made (though I don't think the improvement will be anywhere near that delta). Perhaps the key thing to grasp here is this: we're competing with other languages and ecosystems for programmers. We need to be as attractive as possible. This competitiveness must take into account knowledge of the current tools and the impressions they leave on users. As soon as there's a hurdle in the way, many potential newcomers will be lost. The additional benefits to existing community members are there as well, but they're harder to talk about tangibly until we experiment with the new communication channels. On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Glen M=C3=A9vel wr= ote: > Yotam Barnoy a =C3=A9crit (le 10/07/2016 =C3=A0 16:47) : > >> [=E2=80=A6] I've found gitter to be ideal for this, much more so than IRC >> (which has a high barrier-of-entry). > > what is so complicated about using the web interface to IRC [1]=E2=80=AF? > > what about the barrier=E2=80=90of=E2=80=90entry to that gitter? i=E2=80= =99ve never heard of it > before and i=E2=80=99m not sure what=E2=80=99s so new there (apart from t= he built=E2=80=90in > persistence), but as i understood, it is a github service so it would > require a github account (and to accept to be publicly linked to that > github account, and to rely on proprietary solutions, etc=C2=B7), whereas= IRC > requires nothing. > >> I'll enquire on IRC (just connecting requires me using an annoying >> service like IRCCloud, which shows the problem -- I can't even post >> the question and get a notification about a response.) > > at least the web interface mentionned above does notify you, and even > plays a sound iirc. if you are not served within the hour and want to > stay 24 hours a day to finally see your answer, then structured forums > are better fit to your use than messy instant messaging anyway. > > -- > Glen M=C3=A9vel > > [1]: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=3D#ocaml > > p=C2=B7s=C2=B7: > >> b. there are tools to scrape gitter history in existence, making the >> fact that they're proprietary fairly irrelevant. > > the point about proprietary systems is not a mere matter of retrieving > history=E2=80=A6 >