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From: Pierre-Alexandre Voye <ontologiae@gmail.com>
To: Benedikt Meurer <benedikt.meurer@googlemail.com>
Cc: Alain Frisch <alain@frisch.fr>, caml users <caml-list@inria.fr>,
	caml@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:11:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANnJ5GfZu5nY9Otni0vT5KkC6cfSX8Yb4gCciYUO8tDK3i6gYQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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2011/12/8 Benedikt Meurer <benedikt.meurer@googlemail.com>

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>
>
> The problem is IMHO that there is no one at INRIA caring about ARM. In an
> open model we would have maintainers for the ARM port(s).
>
Note that if Ocaml compiler would have a C backend, all these problems or
architecture port would disappear...
Ocaml would have more than 30 target[1]
In my Opinion, trying to generate assembler is a bad idea because modern
CPU require a lot of work to generate good assembler.
Only the GCC and LLVM team are big enough to be able to make a good job.

In the Lisaac project, we were able to compete with C[2]. Lisaac is a
compiler for a Smalltalk like language : the if/then/else is unknown to the
compiler, it is defined in the true/false object. So it is a proof that a
very high level language can reach C performance. Ocaml can do this,
because the compiler is able to know a lot of type informations.
The Lisaac compiler use strong flow analysis and, more importantly generate
C code. To reach performance, Lisaac tailor C code to help GCC to generate
very optimized code.
For instance,  GCC is able to produce MMX/SSE/AVX code when you write code
like this :
http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/tree-ssa/vectorization.html#vectorizab

AutoVectorization is just an example of what you can do with GCC (or LLVM
soon certainly) and which would require a lot of work with an own asm
generator.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_Collection#Architectures
[2]
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=lisaac&lang2=gcc


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Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-08  9:10 Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-08  9:54 ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-08 10:28   ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-08 10:46     ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-08 11:08       ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-08 16:42       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-12-08 10:47     ` ivan chollet
2011-12-08 14:07       ` oliver
2011-12-08 11:11     ` Pierre-Alexandre Voye [this message]
2011-12-08 18:18       ` Török Edwin
2011-12-09 21:42         ` oliver
2011-12-08 10:16 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-08 11:07 ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-09  2:11 ` Jacques Garrigue
2011-12-09 10:37   ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-09 11:03     ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-09 11:17       ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2011-12-09 11:50         ` Jonathan Protzenko
2011-12-09 12:36           ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-09 23:22         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-09 22:33       ` oliver
2011-12-09 14:24     ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-09 17:00       ` Mehdi Dogguy
2011-12-09 17:36         ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-09 17:45           ` Mehdi Dogguy
2011-12-09 23:24             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-10  9:31               ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-10 14:45 ` Xavier Leroy
2011-12-10 15:58   ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-12 10:21     ` Xavier Leroy
2011-12-12 10:59       ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-12 12:20         ` Mehdi Dogguy
2011-12-12 15:17           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-19  4:09           ` Romain Beauxis
2011-12-19 17:35             ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-12 12:57         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-10 17:06   ` Török Edwin
2011-12-10 18:28   ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-10 18:34     ` Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-10 19:10       ` Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-10 20:55         ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-10 21:40           ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/p5 type reflection [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-10 23:34             ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11  0:47               ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/p5 type reflection [ Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-11 11:19                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 18:14                   ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-11  9:04               ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/p5 type reflection [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-11  9:36                 ` Török Edwin
2011-12-11 10:29                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 11:23                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-11 11:38                     ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 10:20               ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-12-11 10:47                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 13:27               ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-11 13:35                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 13:42                   ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-11 13:36                 ` Arnaud Spiwack
2011-12-11 13:46                 ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-10 23:28   ` [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) Jesper Louis Andersen
2011-12-11 11:02     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-13 19:36       ` oliver
2011-12-14 12:13         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-16 10:03           ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-11 13:33   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-11 13:59     ` [Caml-list] Community distribution [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-12 17:48   ` [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-13 20:39     ` [Caml-list] New experimental ARM backend [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-14  9:18       ` Mark Shinwell
2011-12-14 21:51         ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 11:57       ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 13:08         ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 14:50           ` Alexandre Pilkiewicz
2011-12-18 16:42             ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 17:23           ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-21 10:11             ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 13:16         ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-17 18:36   ` [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-18  4:25     ` Till Varoquaux

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