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From: Philippe Veber <philippe.veber@gmail.com>
To: Ben Millwood <bmillwood@janestreet.com>
Cc: Romain Bardou <romain.bardou@inria.fr>, caml users <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Uncaught exceptions in function type.
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 18:02:15 +0200	[thread overview]
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Hi Ben,

2014-05-26 17:13 GMT+02:00 Ben Millwood <bmillwood@janestreet.com>:

> First of all, it seems to be universal among all languages I've much
> experience with that there are unchecked exceptions. Your program might be
> interrupted at any point by an out of memory error or a signal or
> something, and there's just not much you can do about that. You can either
> model it in your code or not, but you can't stop it from happening. So it
> seems like the best we can hope for with typed exceptions is in addition to
> unchecked ones, to make it possible (but not required) that a function
> might declare some of the exceptions it can throw.
>

That's perfectly right.


>
> But after all exceptions are just "things I can return instead of a
> result", and lightweight sum types are already pretty good at that. E.g.
> (to use Romain's syntax)
>
>     val lookup : map -> key -> value raise Not_found
>
> is pretty much just the same as:
>
>     val lookup : map -> key -> value option
>

Right. This is a very good use case that I adopted thanks to core.


>
> True, exceptions get automatic propagation, but the option monad interface
> makes that pretty lightweight, and you can do a similar thing with a less
> trivial sum type if you need richer type information.
>

Using options or Result from time to time is certainly a nice habit.
However to be honest, using option/result monads extensively does not seem
right to me, like pulling the language in a direction it was not really
designed for. Monad combinators do a great job at propagating errors, but
still there is a serious addition of plumbing in function body's and Result
returning functions have a significantly less readable type. But I guess
this is pretty much a question of taste/habit to see if the added verbosity
is worth it.


>
> See also:
> https://blogs.janestreet.com/how-to-fail-introducing-or-error-dot-t/ for
> discussions of more ways you can make error handling both explicit and
> concise.
>

Thanks! BTW core still uses exceptions. Is there an explicit rule as to how
to decide between Result type or exceptions. For instance, why not write
the Array.create function like this:

val create : int -> 'a -> 'a array Or_error.t

where create fails for a negative integer?

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-26 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-26 14:23 Philippe Veber
2014-05-26 14:56 ` Romain Bardou
2014-05-26 15:13   ` Ben Millwood
2014-05-26 16:02     ` Philippe Veber [this message]
2014-05-26 16:34       ` Daniel Bünzli
2014-05-27  6:52         ` Philippe Veber
2014-05-27  8:42           ` Ben Millwood
2014-05-27 10:05             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2014-05-27 10:36               ` Ben Millwood
2014-05-27 11:24                 ` Yaron Minsky
2014-05-27 21:42             ` Daniel Bünzli
2014-05-27 21:16           ` Daniel Bünzli
2014-06-02  8:38             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2014-05-27  8:49         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2014-05-27  8:56           ` David House
2014-05-27 21:39           ` Daniel Bünzli
2014-06-02  8:31             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2014-05-27  9:25         ` Nicolas Boulay
2014-05-27 21:51           ` Daniel Bünzli
2014-05-30 18:03         ` Florian Weimer
2014-05-31 11:26           ` Daniel Bünzli
2014-06-02  8:43             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2014-05-26 15:25   ` Philippe Veber
2014-05-27  9:28     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2014-05-27  9:38       ` Romain Bardou
2014-05-26 15:33 ` Thomas Blanc
2014-05-26 16:04   ` Philippe Veber
2014-05-26 15:33 ` Gabriel Scherer

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