From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED2AF7EC6E for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 14:27:10 +0100 (CET) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of gabriel.scherer@gmail.com) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.214.49; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-sender="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: domain of gabriel.scherer@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.214.49; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-sender="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-bk0-f49.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.214.49; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-bk0-f49.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoDADzp01LRVdYxlWdsb2JhbABAGoNDVrltgQgIFg4BAQEBBw0JCRIqgiUBAQEEQAEbEgsBAwwGBQsNLiIBEQEFARwGEwiHZwEDEQ02nUSMXIMJkRkKGScNZIRGEQEFDI5IMweENwSYF4EwjngYKYRaOw X-IPAS-Result: AhoDADzp01LRVdYxlWdsb2JhbABAGoNDVrltgQgIFg4BAQEBBw0JCRIqgiUBAQEEQAEbEgsBAwwGBQsNLiIBEQEFARwGEwiHZwEDEQ02nUSMXIMJkRkKGScNZIRGEQEFDI5IMweENwSYF4EwjngYKYRaOw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,653,1384297200"; d="scan'208";a="44603174" Received: from mail-bk0-f49.google.com ([209.85.214.49]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 13 Jan 2014 14:27:10 +0100 Received: by mail-bk0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 6so341868bkj.22 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:27:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=naLpsk3I6/hAgIrB93QA7ixQKzg5egBtK2L6dQtvAV4=; b=eUP9pNdY6l/9HfPixexbZjnn9iceQt+bOjhyVEDI7egf7CR64z1l0c+jPyR+WNhpJk gUmhohppONZlS/hnjDU+OCNCpumJbrUDtHtGXLOtG+giXsNWwSCZVKX6heLCngIWRqsV uFoBDMf6WHDI9Uxtgrlu+1DKvZeGrL6EEv+PF6cWLbmiCiZkP2hhd5ZgdWHJrAc5fpHY M7olW+HW7R8xVv11DAXlkyI0DJT4yIrbwGyMNRDoT/6Kw/FweA+O9jsq3ggXhVepLO9b +pibA/o/KI1tkVk3pEhqfbOfIC5+ecXmwbXszeclQsi89nW+Q3dbJH4tmTODzDUef/vW W/1w== X-Received: by 10.205.108.133 with SMTP id ec5mr47605bkc.154.1389619629627; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:27:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.45.5 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:26:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20140111152357.GB28133@notk.org> <20140111154146.GA976@lenat> <20140113090444.GA8904@notk.org> <52D3B71B.40802@cea.fr> From: Gabriel Scherer Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 14:26:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Daniel_B=FCnzli?= Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Bobot?= , caml users Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Doing compiler patch review with a dedicated mailing-list On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Daniel B=FCnzli wrote: > It's not only easy to browse, it's *great* to browse: all the web-based m= ailing list archives I interact with are not even able to follow a thread r= unning across two month. I really feel we're in 2014. This is a bit too snarky for me to guess what you want. I'm already doing a few reviews on mantis, and occasionally uses the github in-patch-commenting interface when people send a link to a github-hosted patch (eg. http://caml.inria.fr/mantis/view.php?id=3D6274 ). I would be ready to experiment with a mailing-list or a specialized review tool, based on what people would prefer. We have a solid github mirror in place ( github.com/ocaml/ocaml ), people of OCamllabs have kindly offered to host mailing-lists on several occasions, and have experimented with, for example, gitlab in the past. People of the list, if you have sent or reviewed patches or consider doing so in the future, do you have a strong preference? If your peer/friend/colleague wishes to contribute and asks you the place to go, what will you wish we had? (Keep in mind that we don't have a lot of patches sent around for now (less than a dozen a month), and even less people*time to do the reviews, so we don't necessarily need a highly tuned =FCber-process.) On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Daniel B=FCnzli wrote: > Le lundi, 13 janvier 2014 =E0 11:27, Gabriel Scherer a =E9crit : >> -- to lower the participation cost for those that are too cool to use >> a bug tracker of the previous decade. > > That's a troll. What some of us are asking for is a usable bugtracker (cf= . #6052). Frankly, mantis doesn't even know how to properly escape markup w= hen you are commenting issues. Having proper ways to introduce code (and, l= ess essential, lightweight formatting) on a bugtracker seems an essential f= eature to me and that's just one example, I won't even talk about having a = quick look at patches that you can't even see in context but will download = to your computer. If you want to use broken and inhumane software it's your= problem but don't try to label those that actually prefer usable software = as being attracted by cool and shiny things. > >> The nice thing with mailing-list is that they have easy-to-browse >> archives, > > It's not only easy to browse, it's *great* to browse: all the web-based m= ailing list archives I interact with are not even able to follow a thread r= unning across two month. I really feel we're in 2014. > >> (about Github, a Wise One >> remarked that "yesterday the same people were commanding that we host >> OCaml on Sourceforge; look where it is now!"). > > Sure, if you move to that kind of (free or paid) service always factor in= the costs of entering and leaving it, as it certainly won't help you forev= er. What's forever anyways ? > >> I'm not personally afraid of having several places where patches are >> proposed > > I think that's a rather bad idea. > > Daniel > > P.S. Since you mentioned gitlab et al, I was recently pointed to this asw= ell: http://phabricator.org/ never interacted with though.