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bh=ENa/dsybubgNVamX0jActMBasXq5iOPaQ1sZTcrWCjA=; b=d1Q6LCVfPooHPF9jyoI75KiHXT/BF692odpoGs2oDtsCDYxrVliLS5JTi61Ri7Dh6g //toxmLsFMWl5ci2yYW7viLu2P7wDnVzYER9L7H02azxJ8K6A/XL7MfmcGKGQuXm2C/K 9Z//yyCPJQQgXoKMVH6pzq4uGIRJGYKBOvyxmVkXvH+4SyrYAEl4IQCxCMovvvO0z4PL EieiAvz315MZrn4IB/535fNxZEeOVmzKSpHt/r/lUZ8nJkyVEhyf8j4FQkrfKAipTIdH rAPxogCfKxFbeyXTxI+bQXqEvR+mzJb8HZbepu9swfLvNdF4KG/t2ICV6BkEw4YuV0Lm L48w== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBEZEqzM+kPUbGCY+nCo2Sz43I2JgmcCcTqWvWLC7pRBvgVmESR +tPZgmIUeqCCemVILfngbHxBqurJzw== X-Received: by 10.107.35.20 with SMTP id j20mr134813ioj.35.1494526258338; Thu, 11 May 2017 11:10:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.39.196 with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2017 11:10:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <59149DC2025C048200390482_0_27273@msllnjpmsgsv06> References: <59149DC2025C048200390482_0_27273@msllnjpmsgsv06> From: Gabriel Scherer Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 14:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: Hongbo Zhang Cc: marshall@logical.net, caml users Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Change policy on beginners list? As an irregular contributor to the ocaml beginners list, I share the dislike of yahoo lists. I would be happy to keep contributing with an email-based workflow, and it seems that Google groups would indeed be an improvement (I don't know about the chatroom solutions that Hongbo has in mind). I have a personal preference for open and open-source-based solutions, but Google groups is no worse than Yahoo groups in this respect (and better in most others), and the use of a standard communication protocol (email) gives freedom in letting other participants choose their stack. StackOverflow also plays a useful role for beginners and I'm glad that the OCaml community usefully engages people there. (We have to answer beginners where they are.) On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Hongbo Zhang (BLOOMBERG/ 731 LEX) wrote: > Hi Marshall, > I am currently the admin of ocaml beginners list. I share with your pain > points. I had to create a new yahoo account to maintain it(Yahoo used to > accept gmail account, but they changed their policy lately), and I kept > forgetting the password, since the sole purpose of yahoo account is to > maintain the mailing list. > Would anyone be interested in help the migration(or we can create a > gitter/slack/discord chatroom)? As long as people from INIRIA agree, I wo= uld > be happy to transfer the maintenance to a new leader. > FYI, currently there is an online chatroom talking about OCaml: > https://discord.gg/reasonml > Thanks -- Hongbo > From: marshall@logical.net At: 05/11/17 12:10:45 > To: caml-list@inria.fr > Subject: Re:[Caml-list] Change policy on beginners list? > > I=E2=80=99m an OCaml beginner, so you would think that I would find the O= Caml > beginners=E2=80=99 list helpful. However, every interaction I have with = Yahoo > groups just pushes me away. There are obnoxious ads in the web interface, > which is not very intuitive anyway. I could use the beginners list/group > via email, but that would require using my Yahoo email address, which I > don=E2=80=99t have set up on any of my mail clients. When I go into the = Yahoo web > mail interface, I mainly see a list of junk mail that I don=E2=80=99t car= e about, so > I don=E2=80=99t want to use the Yahoo address. More than once, I have th= ought, =E2=80=9CI > should use the OCaml beginners=E2=80=99 list.=E2=80=9D When I start to g= o down that path, I > stop. Yahoo groups are too distasteful. I=E2=80=99m not sure how many o= ther people > feel this way, but surely I=E2=80=99m not alone. That means that for som= e new OCaml > users, the public face of OCaml support pushes us away. So sending new > users to the Yahoo group seems unhelpful to the growth of OCaml. > > I personally find Google groups easier to use. They=E2=80=99re not perfe= ct, but the > web interface doesn=E2=80=99t include ads. Might it be a good thing to m= ove the > beginners=E2=80=99 list to Google groups or some other system? Obviously= , this > change should not be done suddenly. There would have to be period=E2=80= =94possibly > indefinite=E2=80=94during which both lists were available. > > (At present, when I want help on OCaml questions, I go to StackOverflow, > where people have been very helpful. This is a good solution for me, and > it=E2=80=99s easy to browse the latest OCaml questions. However, the way= that the > ocaml.org community page is set up encourages beginners to use the Yahoo > group. There is a StackOverflow icon down at the bottom of the page, but > you have to investigate that on your own. In any event, I do like the id= ea > of using an online group or mailing list focused on beginners questions, = so > I personally would welcome a beginners Google group. I don=E2=80=99t exp= ect to use > the Yahoo group.) > > > Marshall Abrams > >