From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA6317F20B for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:14:53 +0100 (CET) Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of gabriel.scherer@gmail.com) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.214.53; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-sender="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: domain of gabriel.scherer@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.53 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.214.53; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-sender="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-bk0-f53.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.214.53; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-bk0-f53.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcBAKzfGFHRVdY1jmdsb2JhbABEri2SYggWDgEBAQEJCwkJEgYjgh8BAQVAARsQAQELAQMMBgULDQ0hIgERAQUBCgQBDQYTEg2HYAEDDwyhX4w0gnuDbAoZJwMKWYh8AQUMkgEDliSBHY1UFimEKoFlJA X-IPAS-Result: AvcBAKzfGFHRVdY1jmdsb2JhbABEri2SYggWDgEBAQEJCwkJEgYjgh8BAQVAARsQAQELAQMMBgULDQ0hIgERAQUBCgQBDQYTEg2HYAEDDwyhX4w0gnuDbAoZJwMKWYh8AQUMkgEDliSBHY1UFimEKoFlJA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,641,1355094000"; d="scan'208";a="2303235" Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com ([209.85.214.53]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 11 Feb 2013 13:14:53 +0100 Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j10so2620347bkw.12 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:14:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vw/zNBj/fQczs3XNn1wamuf84wPMFaxG95qYDbaBwPs=; b=lZeh2iBAEvZQTcu43MFmCGvYr7tGTZpU49X67MqW9s0vaNlFpNYLrryFKEM0i3bl64 a6q4Sns8sy4vu6KgHXSPBpPG/5x1hkj4ujOglMWjc4P1zE//2DLOkoG2fgOa1W0lBSlQ JMWby2nrVlgz4WHy+k3VBJVd3XiyxOlyOBKF3e473Xg5HO2U5DZLl/sUGO9QDsfVFnsW 1bWzejjpLm8129CdvmqNk6FkV1q3COEQDbghq1mpPeAd99TbKqt+b3EIBrNcO7Ix9pmw JqsokYSaBllcyAKeFjfXDfzzqbYzRQ7ayoWYWHtsGQzHMxXXxC+hNmgUhaZlKqXRWVwt FDOA== X-Received: by 10.204.9.16 with SMTP id j16mr4002497bkj.53.1360584892483; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:14:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.83.144 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:14:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201302111240.35711.louis.gesbert@ocamlpro.com> References: <201302111240.35711.louis.gesbert@ocamlpro.com> From: Gabriel Scherer Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:14:12 +0100 Message-ID: To: Louis Gesbert Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Caml-list] geany as an ocaml ide I must say I'm a bit dubious of dedicated editors: people prefer to use the tools they're familiar with from other languages, and I'm not really sure what the added value of a different tool would be. There have been attempts to write editors for OCaml (Cameleon{,2}, zed ( https://github.com/diml/zed )...), so far none of them really gained traction. Volunteers work on whatever they fancy and I prefer not to interfere negatively -- though it's unclear in this case whether this is a personal side-project or an OCamlPro project. Moreover, all these efforts have led to interesting byproducts: various libraries from Cameleon (eg. ocaml-rss http://zoggy.github.com/ocamlrss/ ) and zed ( and in particular the nice toplevel utop https://github.com/diml/utop ). That said, I would still feel more enthusiastic about a project that can be used with other tools people use ( this is a good property of ocp-indent for example ), or directly improving OCaml support about tools that already have a user base : syntax highlighting libraries for various editors, etc. For example, Online Client-side Javascript-implemented In-the-cloud programming editors are all the rage now, they use a relatively small number of popular Javascript edition engines under the hood, is there work to do to make sure OCaml a first-class citizen there? On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Louis Gesbert wrote: > OCaml is definitely lacking in this area; I am at the moment working prec= isely > on solving this issue, with a dedicated Gtk editor that runs on Linux, OS= X and > Windows. It is pretty basic at the moment but already has code edition and > working toplevel interaction (no compilation or project yet). > > Release is intended in a few months from now, with sufficient features for > beginners and students. If successful, it will then be extended to handle > bigger projects (multi-file, build system integration, etc.). > > Until then, you may see the project's github page at > https://github.com/OCamlPro/ocp-edit-simple (name temporary) > > -- > Louis Gesbert, OCamlPro > > Le Monday 11 February 2013 01:49:41, Martin DeMello a =E9crit : >> I spent some time last night going through all the "what is a good >> (beginner's) ide for ocaml?" threads I could find online, and trying >> out the various options suggested. I ruled out the following: >> >> * vim, emacs and eclipse (not beginner-friendly; people who want to >> use them will know how to do it) >> * anything that did not provide a binary install for Windows and OSX, >> and wasn't a simple configure/make/make install on linux >> * anything that needed fiddling with config files just to install it >> * anything that needed the OCaml sources to be independently present >> and configured (!) >> * anything that was abandoned, or didn't seem to support OCaml 4 >> >> I was left with Geany and Komodo Edit as possibilities, and Geany won >> out by letting me open up a test.ml file and immediately being able to >> find and run the OCaml compiler. At least on Linux, it was a perfect >> beginner-friendly experience. >> >> So what do people think about ocaml.org officially promoting Geany as >> the answer to "I'm learning OCaml; what is a good IDE?"? I'd be happy >> to write up a page on it and contribute it. >> >> martin > > -- > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs