From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7915C7EE51 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 23:21:43 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of gabriel.scherer@gmail.com) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.214.43; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-sender="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: domain of gabriel.scherer@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.43 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.214.43; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-sender="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-bk0-f43.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.214.43; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gabriel.scherer@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-bk0-f43.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApcCAJacXFHRVdYrk2dsb2JhbABDgz1BrX+JYwGIMoEFCBYOAQEBAQcLCwkUBCSCHwEBBAEdIwEbDAYLAQMBCwYFCwMKDSEiAREBBQEKEgYTCQkCh20BAwkGBwWiTIwvgnuESgoZJwMKWYh8AQUMjmciBAeDQAOQcIV7gR+KVIM2FimCVIFcOg X-IPAS-Result: ApcCAJacXFHRVdYrk2dsb2JhbABDgz1BrX+JYwGIMoEFCBYOAQEBAQcLCwkUBCSCHwEBBAEdIwEbDAYLAQMBCwYFCwMKDSEiAREBBQEKEgYTCQkCh20BAwkGBwWiTIwvgnuESgoZJwMKWYh8AQUMjmciBAeDQAOQcIV7gR+KVIM2FimCVIFcOg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,403,1363129200"; d="scan'208";a="9687225" Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 03 Apr 2013 23:21:42 +0200 Received: by mail-bk0-f43.google.com with SMTP id jm2so1113222bkc.2 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:21:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=NRxX/g7jlOLWd/c5V0dukt+lTnBOoesSAOWm9cga8OE=; b=HhFu+brfZrll1yqsXwPEaC9SILUHvzLQsV5810bdOO5856kqD+FOvRKjboSh1X223D bQF2uq9uaE7je0cSvVAdrPggCms02XM70e07UG3MBOYg4ZD43RNzvAML9vDh5VvlvB5D Z2+W/ynUo/OplU4nGpsyHes3Y6pJ86LCZj6lD6/+xlZAJsmtqnnZkaczZxX3a8WA9dct j29Plh8wFweoqdT4PF1pKk0swb562Q+Zvou9XQiergIARpJRzO4fd9VraNMbT6Cj3SJm mOHH2cCEKRx81KsNv/eq0cyAqmEbgM+iYNY9jomB8H1EPZESeBBrGK8IP4VFQZJBMNrG WWJg== X-Received: by 10.204.188.81 with SMTP id cz17mr2456859bkb.91.1365024101578; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:21:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.83.144 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:21:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1365019275.10138.4@samsung> References: <0D64637F-0E34-41C8-9097-7A54E640C602@recoil.org> <1365019275.10138.4@samsung> From: Gabriel Scherer Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 23:21:01 +0200 Message-ID: To: Gerd Stolpmann Cc: Anil Madhavapeddy , Martin Jambon , "marius a. eriksen" , Amir M Chaudhry , Malcolm Matalka , "caml-list@inria.fr users" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302923f6af83bf04d97b7035 Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OUD2013 part of CUFP? --20cf302923f6af83bf04d97b7035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am also interested in participating to more developer-oriented conference, preferably about Free Software. I missed the "call for presentation" of this year FOSDEM but did consider sending something there, and I will looking for a possibility to either talk or simply attend and listen next year. If you (Gerd, Martin) are also interested, it would surely be great to have more people from the OCaml community there. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Gerd Stolpmann wrote: > Am 03.04.2013 20:33:17 schrieb(en) Anil Madhavapeddy: > > On 3 Apr 2013, at 11:02, Martin Jambon >> wrote: >> > >> > "Spreading the word widely" doesn't happen like that - it's the core of >> the problem. >> > >> > In thought the goal was to raise awareness among professional software >> developers who might consider trying some more "functional" approaches to >> programming. >> > Pardon my cynicism, but this is different from a meeting whose goal is >> to show academics that their pet language was used by that one person in >> that big company and then pat each other on the back. >> >> Are you all in a bad mood today or something? >> > > Come on, that's Martin's special humor. > > > That's quite the mischaracterisation of CUFP. Let me sample some of the >> videos from the CUFP website (at http://cufp.org/videos) >> > > In deed, this is all interesting and encouraging, and there is no question > that CUFP is an important event. For CUFP, I don't see any problem of > colocating it with ICFP. For the researchers this is, as Martin points out > in his special way, also a source of motivation. For OUD, the topics are > different, though - it's more practical problems, questions of OCaml's > roadmap, and generally more technical. So I'd make there a difference. > > Gerd > > > * Scala at Twitter >> http://cufp.org/videos/**scaling-scala-twitter-marius-**eriksen-twitter >> * Facebook Chat in Erlang >> http://cufp.org/videos/**functional-programming-**facebook >> * Freebase and Metaweb in OCaml (now part of Google) >> http://cufp.org/videos/**functional-programming-** >> freebase-warren-harris-metaweb >> * Scheme for games development in Uncharted 3 >> http://cufp.org/videos/**functional-mzscheme-dsls-game-**development >> * F# at Microsoft for biological computing >> http://cufp.org/videos/using-**f-prove-stabilisation-** >> biological-networks >> http://cufp.org/videos/f-**embracing-functional-** >> programming-visual-studio-**2010-luke-hoban-mic >> * Big data at Nokia using Erlang/OCaml: >> http://cufp.org/videos/disco-**using-erlang-implement-**mapreduce >> >> And I haven't even mentioned our usual friends from Citrix or Jane Street: >> * http://cufp.org/videos/citrix-**haskell-xenclient >> * http://cufp.org/videos/jane-**street-status-report >> >> And many more, of varying size and impact: there's been an interesting >> evolution from the 'bedroom FP user' to large companies that use it without >> blinking an eye. All of this has been tracked by CUFP over the years, >> although we unfortunately don't have videos from the earliest ones. >> >> Please do stop directing your ire at a workshop that has done its best to >> broaden the appeal of FP for nearly a decade now, and do start thinking >> about getting involved in the (many) open-source events that are out there >> these days. Anyone can propose talks at places like Strange Loop and >> OSCON, and your travel and registration is often covered by the event >> organisers. >> >> -anil >> -- >> Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: >> https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/**arc/caml-list >> Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/**ocaml_beginners >> Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-**bugs >> >> > > > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------ > Gerd Stolpmann, Darmstadt, Germany gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de > Creator of GODI and camlcity.org. > Contact details: http://www.camlcity.org/**contact.html > Company homepage: http://www.gerd-stolpmann.de > ------------------------------**------------------------------ > -- > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/**arc/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/**ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-**bugs > --20cf302923f6af83bf04d97b7035 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am also interested in participating to more developer-or= iented conference, preferably about Free Software. I missed the "call = for presentation" of this year FOSDEM but did consider sending somethi= ng there, and I will looking for a possibility to either talk or simply att= end and listen next year. If you (Gerd, Martin) are also interested, it wou= ld surely be great to have more people from the OCaml community there.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Gerd Stolpmann <<= a href=3D"mailto:info@gerd-stolpmann.de" target=3D"_blank">info@gerd-stolpm= ann.de> wrote:
Am 03.04.2013 20:33:17 schrieb(en) Anil Madh= avapeddy:

On 3 Apr 2013, at 11:02, Martin Jambon <martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org> wrote: >
> "Spreading the word widely" doesn't happen like that - i= t's the core of the problem.
>
> In thought the goal was to raise awareness among professional software= developers who might consider trying some more "functional" appr= oaches to programming.
> Pardon my cynicism, but this is different from a meeting whose goal is= to show academics that their pet language was used by that one person in t= hat big company and then pat each other on the back.

Are you all in a bad mood today or something?

Come on, that's Martin's special humor.


That's quite the mischaracterisation of CUFP. Let me sample some of the= videos from the CUFP website (at http://cufp.org/videos)

In deed, this is all interesting and encouraging, and there is no question = that CUFP is an important event. For CUFP, I don't see any problem of c= olocating it with ICFP. For the researchers this is, as Martin points out i= n his special way, also a source of motivation. For OUD, the topics are dif= ferent, though - it's more practical problems, questions of OCaml's= roadmap, and generally more technical. So I'd make there a difference.=

Gerd


* Scala at Twitter
http://cufp.org/videos/scaling-scala-twitter-= marius-eriksen-twitter
* Facebook Chat in Erlang
http://cufp.org/videos/functional-programming-fac= ebook
* Freebase and Metaweb in OCaml (now part of Google)
http://cufp.org/videos/functional-pr= ogramming-freebase-warren-harris-metaweb
* Scheme for games development in Uncharted 3
http://cufp.org/videos/functional-mzscheme-dsls-= game-development
* F# at Microsoft for biological computing
http://cufp.org/videos/using-f-prove-stabi= lisation-biological-networks
http://cufp.org/videos/f-= embracing-functional-programming-visual-studio-2010-luke-= hoban-mic
* Big data at Nokia using Erlang/OCaml:
http://cufp.org/videos/disco-using-erlang-implement= -mapreduce

And I haven't even mentioned our usual friends from Citrix or Jane Stre= et:
* http://cufp.org/videos/citrix-haskell-xenclient
* http://cufp.org/videos/jane-street-status-report

And many more, of varying size and impact: there's been an interesting = evolution from the 'bedroom FP user' to large companies that use it= without blinking an eye. =A0All of this has been tracked by CUFP over the = years, although we unfortunately don't have videos from the earliest on= es.

Please do stop directing your ire at a workshop that has done its best to b= roaden the appeal of FP for nearly a decade now, and do start thinking abou= t getting involved in the (many) open-source events that are out there thes= e days. =A0Anyone can propose talks at places like Strange Loop and OSCON, = and your travel and registration is often covered by the event organisers.<= br>
-anil
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