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From: Gabriel Scherer <gabriel.scherer@gmail.com>
To: Alain Frisch <alain.frisch@lexifi.com>
Cc: Andreas Rossberg <rossberg@mpi-sws.org>, caml users <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Newbie comment on constructor syntax
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:08:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPFanBHECWgqPkC-2Mjx28R_DgcEYtfjzQcpp-D75eCe+YzjDQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5640D8E0.6060102@lexifi.com>

If we gave a functional semantic to the unapplied constructor, then I
think that good taste would mandate for the application of this
function and the application of the constructor to be equivalent. This
means that by choosing a tuple-taking function, we commit to the
tuple-application syntax (that nobody likes), and that choosing a
currified function creates an unpleasant inconsistency in the
language.

I don't know whether we could ever manage to transition to a currified
syntax for constructors, but right now it is at least conceivable
because the application syntax is just a concrete syntax choice, it
does not affect typing. Turning unapplied constructor into a function
(tuplified or currified) makes it a typing property, observable at
specification boundaries: we cannot change it.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Alain Frisch <alain.frisch@lexifi.com> wrote:
> On 09/11/2015 11:35, Andreas Rossberg wrote:
>>
>> Yes please, I would appreciate such sugar.
>
>
> I've now submitted a cleaner implementation, working on both expressions and
> patterns:
>
> https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/284
>
>> Even more I would appreciate
>> generalising that to allowing constructors to be used as first-class
>> expressions (i.e., unapplied "C" -> "fun (x1,...,xN) -> C (x1,...,xN)"
>> when C is a constructor with arity > 0). I had to write some AST mapping
>> code recently that would have vastly benefited from that.
>
>
> This is not covered (and now, it could simply be "fun x -> C x" :-)).  I
> don't see anything clever to be done on patterns for "unapplied
> constructors", though.
>
>
> Alain
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-09 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-06  9:33 Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 10:04 ` Nicolas Ojeda Bar
2015-11-06 10:31 ` Francois Berenger
2015-11-06 12:20   ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 12:34     ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-06 13:09       ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 14:10         ` Ashish Agarwal
2015-11-06 15:19           ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 15:21             ` Ashish Agarwal
2015-11-21 17:24       ` [Caml-list] Notation for currying Hendrik Boom
2015-11-21 17:41         ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-21 18:05         ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2015-11-21 18:55           ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-06 12:29 ` [Caml-list] Newbie comment on constructor syntax Jonas Jensen
2015-11-06 12:46   ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-06 12:54     ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-08 21:16 ` Florian Weimer
2015-11-08 22:50   ` Norman Hardy
2015-11-09  6:27     ` Florian Weimer
2015-11-09 13:27       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-11-09  8:09     ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-09 10:00       ` Hendrik Boom
2015-11-09 10:16       ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 10:35         ` Andreas Rossberg
2015-11-09 12:28           ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 17:33           ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 18:08             ` Gabriel Scherer [this message]
2015-11-09 18:16               ` Andreas Rossberg
2015-11-09 21:11                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2015-11-09 22:06                   ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-09 22:27                   ` Andreas Rossberg
2015-11-09 22:57                     ` Jeremy Yallop
2015-11-10  0:11                   ` Hendrik Boom
2015-11-10  8:27                   ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-10 10:25                     ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 10:44                       ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-10 10:55                         ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 13:17                           ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-10 13:41                             ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 14:01                               ` Alain Frisch
2015-11-13 15:36                           ` Romain Bardou
2015-11-10 11:17                         ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-10 14:11                     ` Hendrik Boom
2015-11-10 14:40                       ` immanuel litzroth
2015-11-10 15:30                       ` Soegtrop, Michael
2015-11-10 17:27                         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2015-11-09 20:32               ` Alain Frisch

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