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From: james woodyatt <jhw@wetware.com>
To: Vasili Galchin <vasiliocaml@yahoo.com>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 00:03:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CB08AFF5-892A-11D8-9096-000A958FF2FE@wetware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040407230339.76481.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com>

On 07 Apr 2004, at 16:03, Vasili Galchin wrote:
>
>    You misunderstood my point. I was saying that if
> OCaml and other nice declarative languages like it
> don't stop being science projects then all we in
> industry have for alternatives are terrible languages
> like C++!

I think it would be ever so convenient for industry if the scientists 
would stop hoarding all the perfectly good technology solutions in 
their palatial research laboratories where industry has absolutely no 
control over their development.  If the scientists were only a little 
more accommodating, then industry wouldn't have to use all those 
terrible alternative technologies they've been saddled with all these 
years.  It's so unfair.  </sarcasm>

> I wasn't in anyway suggesting a process that
> has been adopted for C++. Instead I was merely
> suggesting (prodding) for everybody to get off the
> dime and see code somehow make it through a gatekeeper
> and into the mainstream.

It wouldn't be the first time a language forked because of diverging 
interests between researchers and commercial interests.  Perhaps there 
is nothing really new under the sun.

Seriously, and I'm trying to be helpful here, it is not the scientists 
who decide what is useful to industry.  It is industry that decides 
what are the useful applications of research.  If industry wants a 
standard definition of a language system with all the features of 
Ocaml, then industry will make one.


-- 
j h woodyatt <jhw@wetware.com>
markets are only free to the people who own them.

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-08  7:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-09 17:30 [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library Vasili Galchin
2004-03-09 17:55 ` Richard Jones
2004-03-09 18:11   ` Shawn Wagner
2004-03-15 19:44     ` Eric Stokes
2004-03-16  5:32       ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-17 15:52         ` Eric Stokes
2004-03-18  0:19           ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-18  8:56             ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Matt Gushee
2004-03-18 10:31               ` Richard Jones
2004-03-18 11:22                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-03-18 11:18                   ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-03-18 11:55                   ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2004-03-18 12:42                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-18 14:12                       ` Xavier Leroy
2004-03-18 17:18                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-18 17:56                           ` Alex Baretta
2004-03-18 18:33                             ` Markus Mottl
2004-03-19 10:58                               ` [Caml-list] Structuring the Caml community Christophe TROESTLER
2004-03-19 18:29                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-03-18 23:44                             ` [Caml-list] Structuring the Caml community (Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar) Alain.Frisch
2004-03-19  8:36                               ` Oliver Bandel
2004-03-19 19:03                               ` Eric Stokes
2004-03-19 22:34                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-19 22:58                                   ` Matthew O'Connor
2004-03-19 23:15                                   ` Eric Stokes
2004-03-19 23:23                                     ` Karl Zilles
2004-03-20 10:10                                 ` ocaml.org (was: Re: [Caml-list] Structuring the Caml community (Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar)) Richard Jones
     [not found]                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403201143290.2678-100000@lcmpc4.epfl.ch>
2004-03-20 10:47                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-03-18 23:41                         ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-19  0:47                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-03-19  8:54                             ` Richard Jones
2004-03-19 12:29                             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-19 12:44                           ` [Caml-list] Proposed community structure (was Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar) Benjamin Geer
2004-03-19 17:30                             ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-20  6:30                               ` Matt Gushee
2004-03-20  6:49                                 ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-20 13:19                                   ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-03-20 19:03                                     ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-20 11:23                               ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-20 16:46                                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-20 13:07                           ` [Caml-list] Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar Dmitry Bely
2004-03-20 15:55                             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-20 20:09                               ` brogoff
2004-03-18 12:55                     ` Alex Baretta
2004-03-19  8:54                     ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Sven Luther
2004-03-19  9:12                       ` Sven Luther
2004-03-18 13:12                   ` John Carr
2004-03-18 13:56                     ` Richard Jones
2004-03-18 18:41                       ` Oliver Bandel
2004-03-18 20:10                         ` John Carr
2004-03-18 23:20                           ` Richard Jones
2004-03-19  1:30                             ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-03-19  5:10                               ` skaller
2004-03-19  8:41                               ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19  8:58                               ` Richard Jones
2004-03-19  9:13                                 ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 10:03                                   ` Alex Baretta
2004-03-19 10:17                                     ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 11:49                                       ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-19 12:20                                         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-19 12:31                                         ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 12:34                                         ` Issac Trotts
2004-03-21  9:13                                           ` skaller
2004-03-21 20:05                                             ` Issac Trotts
     [not found]                                               ` <1079927683.3165.73.camel@pelican.wigram>
2004-03-22  6:51                                                 ` Issac Trotts
2004-03-23 19:48                                                   ` skaller
2004-03-23 22:16                                                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-03  6:36                                                     ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-03  7:43                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-05  7:50                                                         ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-06  4:20                                                           ` Vasili Galchin
2004-04-06  7:24                                                             ` skaller
2004-04-06 17:24                                                               ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-06 17:38                                                                 ` Kip Macy
2004-04-07 23:11                                                                   ` Vasili Galchin
2004-04-07 23:08                                                                 ` Vasili Galchin
2004-04-07 23:31                                                                   ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08 13:57                                                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13 11:15                                                                       ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-04-08 13:48                                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 14:06                                                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-04-08 14:53                                                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 19:56                                                                         ` [Caml-list] Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-08 20:47                                                                       ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Evan Martin
2004-04-08 21:20                                                                         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-07 23:03                                                               ` Vasili Galchin
2004-04-08  7:03                                                                 ` james woodyatt [this message]
2004-04-08  7:15                                                                   ` Stijn De Saeger
2004-04-08  8:25                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-08  9:35                                                                   ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-08 11:05                                                                     ` Florian Hars
2004-04-08 11:31                                                                       ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-08 13:39                                                                         ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-04-08 12:33                                                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-03-19 12:17                                       ` Alex Baretta
2004-03-19 12:37                                         ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 12:44                                         ` Issac Trotts
2004-03-18 23:31                           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-19  1:08                           ` Michael Vanier
2004-03-19  8:51                           ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 13:20                             ` John Carr
2004-03-19 15:12                               ` Sven Luther
2004-03-21 21:11                                 ` John Carr
2004-03-22  6:46                                   ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19  8:48                         ` Sven Luther
2004-03-18 18:57               ` Shawn Wagner
2004-03-18 21:16                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-03-18 22:32                   ` Fernando Alegre
2004-03-19  0:03                     ` [Caml-list] Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar Remi Vanicat
2004-03-19  8:50                 ` [Caml-list] Demande clarification nomenclature ocaml* Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2004-03-19  9:49                   ` [Caml-list] Suggestion (was: Demande clarification nomenclature ocaml*) Wolfgang Müller
2004-03-19 10:19                     ` [Caml-list] Modules and namespaces Richard Jones
2004-03-19 10:42                       ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-03-19 10:45                       ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 13:56                         ` Fernando Alegre
2004-03-19 15:15                           ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 11:45                   ` [Caml-list] Demande clarification nomenclature ocaml* Benjamin Geer
2004-03-20  6:12                 ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Matt Gushee
2004-03-20 11:29                   ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-20  6:23               ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-20  6:23               ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-09 17:59 ` [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library james woodyatt
2004-03-19 10:19   ` Sven Luther
2004-03-20  6:15     ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-20  6:40       ` Sven Luther
2004-03-20  6:45     ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-09 18:04 ` Stefano Zacchiroli

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