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Sat, 13 May 2017 12:49:03 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: <74046D53-1B0F-4464-87E0-12D0D017875E@logical.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 12:48:59 +0100 Cc: caml users , infrastructure Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <59149DC2025C048200390482_0_27273@msllnjpmsgsv06> <7B2C5D230E264432A259D91C0F5D7096@erratique.ch> <7CC1A434-6814-484D-A2F8-8E9B5BC6C260@recoil.org> <87d1bfnob6.fsf@umons.ac.be> <74046D53-1B0F-4464-87E0-12D0D017875E@logical.net> To: Marshall X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: [Caml-list] discuss.ocaml.org now available Dear all, Firstly, thank you to Marshall for kicking off this discussion. It seems c= lear from the discussion that there is a desire for an asynchronous, modern= mailing-list style communications mechanism for the community. There are = several other more synchronous chat-based solutions (IRC, Slack, Gitter), b= ut Discourse stood out as as an open-source forum that is successfully used= by other communities such as Rust [1]. Therefore, I have set up a hosted Discourse instance at http://discuss.ocam= l.org as an experimental service, and now need your help to decide whether = or not this is a viable longer term solution for our community. It is open= to signups, and we have two immediate things to do: - Decide how to organise the categories in the site [2] - A timeline for shifting various ocaml.org services over to this [3] Most immediately, as we decide on categories, we need volunteers to help nu= rture the site and keep an eye on their areas. Globally, there are currentl= y two administrators (Gabriel Scherer and myself), and we can expand access= controls as the site comes into its own. It is open to public signups immediately, so please do give it a try. Bear = in mind that as it is experimental, it is probably a good idea to expect so= me rearrangements of the configuration in the next few weeks. Anyone intere= sted is extremely welcome to comment on the existing topics below with thei= r opinions, or to begin a new one as appropriate. [1] Gabriel Scherer did the research the last time this topic came up! http= s://users.rust-lang.org/t/what-are-rusts-discourse-hosting-plans-and-time-r= equirement/6462 [2] http://discuss.ocaml.org/t/which-categories-to-create-in-the-site/19 [3] http://discuss.ocaml.org/t/discussion-site-status-and-timeline/23 best regards, Anil > On 12 May 2017, at 02:08, Marshall wrote: >=20 > I see IRC and Slack (and Gitter, I think) as playing a different role tha= n Yahoo or Google groups and mailing lists (and Discourse, I think). Both = categories of interaction=E2=80=94one good for relatively fast interactions= , the other with better support for long time delays=E2=80=94seem valuable,= but in different ways. Each category should be supported, even though Yah= oo groups doesn=E2=80=99t seem like the best member of the second category. >=20 > There are additional comments in the Google group interface to caml-list = that don=E2=80=99t show up in the caml-list archives (nor in my inbox). I= =E2=80=99m not sure why I can=E2=80=99t see these messages elsewhere. Ther= e was a suggestion there to use Pan as an interface to the Yahoo group. I = don=E2=80=99t know anything about Pan, but if there=E2=80=99s a better inte= rface that would be likely to be appealing to new users, then an option wou= ld be to promote use of that interface. It sounds as if Pan uses a Usenet = interface. Many of us feel fondly that Usenet affected our lives in a very= positive way, although in a time that seems distant now. In my ignorance = of Usenet's current state, my first thought is to wonder whether it would b= e ideal for appealing new users, but I don=E2=80=99t know the answer. >=20 > Marshall >=20 > --=20 > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs