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From: Kuba Ober <ober.14@osu.edu>
To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] C++/C# inheritance is bad?
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:35:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D035AED0-188D-4EF5-BB9A-BE39537B1A70@osu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200901171327.19141.jon@ffconsultancy.com>


On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Jon Harrop wrote:

> On Friday 16 January 2009 15:18:50 Kuba Ober wrote:
>> So, when correctly applied, what's so disturbing about inheritance?
>
> Inheritance is disturbing because, in general, it cannot be applied  
> correctly.
> That is why there are so many workarounds, many of which do not even  
> exist in
> C++ like final methods, sealed classes, multimethods, extractors and  
> so on.
> OO is not good in all circumstances and other tools can be  
> preferable. IME,
> OO is only very rarely the best solution and it is only chosen so  
> often
> because it is typically the only solution available (e.g. in C++ or  
> Java).
>
>> You inherit only where it makes sense, and if it makes sense then  
>> you don't
>> care about which particular method is called: it's supposed to be  
>> safe.
>
> Safety is quite different from easy of use, of course.

I know I'm perhaps overusing Qt as an example, but it's just handy.
In Qt, the basic "instrumented" class is QObject. It implements  
retrospection,
signal/slot mechanism, etc. QWidget (a GUI building block) derives  
from it.
(and from a QPaintDevice, since you can paint on it).
Then, you have various widgets that derive from QWidget. Some of those
are abstract widgets (interfaces), like QAbstractButton, where a  
concrete
class faces the end user, like QPushButton.

It is quite a straightforward model -- as long as you think of it in  
terms of "ISA"
relationship between classes.

I wonder how such a hierarchy would be implemented in a natural way
in OCaml? By "natural" I mean being good practice and not feeling like  
a hack.
One should remember that users must extend the framework, so it should
be easy to extend say QWidget to create your own "class".

Cheers, Kuba


  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-17 14:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-16 15:18 Kuba Ober
2009-01-16 15:58 ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2009-01-16 16:28   ` On the benefits of OO, Was: " Jan Kybic
2009-01-17 12:40     ` Oliver Bandel
2009-01-16 18:27 ` Raoul Duke
2009-01-16 21:42   ` Kuba Ober
2009-01-17  3:14     ` Sashan Govender
2009-01-17 14:07       ` Kuba Ober
2009-01-18  6:24         ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2009-01-17 13:27 ` Jon Harrop
2009-01-17 14:35   ` Kuba Ober [this message]
2009-01-17 16:59     ` Jon Harrop
2009-01-17 21:22       ` Kuba Ober
2009-01-17 22:17         ` Jon Harrop
2009-01-17 23:29           ` David Teller
2009-01-17 23:49             ` Jon Harrop
2009-01-19 16:22       ` Visitor in OCaml [was Re: [Caml-list] C++/C# inheritance is bad?] Yoann Padioleau
2009-01-19 16:41         ` blue storm
2009-01-19 17:49           ` Richard Jones
2009-01-19 17:52           ` Visitor in OCaml Christophe TROESTLER
2009-01-21 20:09           ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-01-22  4:03             ` [Caml-list] " Yaron Minsky

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