From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AB0B81799 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 00:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of amc79@cam.ac.uk) identity=pra; client-ip=131.111.8.149; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="amc79@cam.ac.uk"; x-sender="amc79@cam.ac.uk"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of amc79@cam.ac.uk) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=131.111.8.149; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="amc79@cam.ac.uk"; x-sender="amc79@cam.ac.uk"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@ppsw-42.csi.cam.ac.uk) identity=helo; client-ip=131.111.8.149; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="amc79@cam.ac.uk"; x-sender="postmaster@ppsw-42.csi.cam.ac.uk"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEBAL5Y8FGDbwiVnGdsb2JhbABbgzsBrAySKoEsDgEBAQEBBg0JCRQogiQBAQQBbgsFCwslIUUSBhMSAodqAwkGBAixGANhiAeOPoEMMweDEm4DmQiTOYFw X-IPAS-Result: ArEBAL5Y8FGDbwiVnGdsb2JhbABbgzsBrAySKoEsDgEBAQEBBg0JCRQogiQBAQQBbgsFCwslIUUSBhMSAodqAwkGBAixGANhiAeOPoEMMweDEm4DmQiTOYFw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,737,1367964000"; d="scan'208";a="27214772" Received: from ppsw-mx-f.csi.cam.ac.uk (HELO ppsw-42.csi.cam.ac.uk) ([131.111.8.149]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2013 00:47:23 +0200 X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from cpc17-cmbg14-2-0-cust360.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.6.155.105]:64094 helo=[192.168.0.10]) by ppsw-42.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.159]:587) with esmtpsa (PLAIN:amc79) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) id 1V27q5-0007q6-7W (Exim 4.80_167-5a66dd3) (return-path ); Wed, 24 Jul 2013 23:47:21 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) From: Amir Chaudhry In-Reply-To: <20130725000634.1f271513@gavalla> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 23:47:24 +0100 Cc: Virgile Prevosto Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1374669368.25411.5@samsung> <1B6BB035-9909-4F0C-9DEA-F713B977A467@ocamlpro.com> <20130725000634.1f271513@gavalla> To: OCaml X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Subject: Re: [Caml-list] GODI is shutting down Dear all, I don't think this thread is particularly productive and I don't see it get= ting any better. The initial message said GODI is being shut down, unless someone is willing= to take it over. Since then we seem to have entered an OPAM vs GODI debat= e, which I find odd because unless someone has agreed to take over GODI (or= Gerd changes his mind), the entire discussion is moot. If it's about feat= ures the OCaml community feels it needs, there are also other channels wher= e those can be discussed.=20 Overall, it feels as though this thread has become more about venting frust= rations and I'd question whether this list is an appropriate place for that= (please realise that there are over 1300 subscribers). Best wishes, Amir On 24 Jul 2013, at 23:06, Virgile Prevosto wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Le mer. 24 juil. 2013 16:44:43 CEST, > Thomas Gazagnaire a =E9crit : >=20 >>> In the past days I made the experience that OPAM advocates never >>> answer to any of my objections. When I said "GODI has feature xy, >>> why doesn't OPAM has this too?" the only response is something like >>> "OPAM has this great Github-based workflow" (the most harmless >>> variant). Discussion impossible. >>=20 >> Let's try to be constructive then. I've tried to look for all your >> recent objections, let me known if I have missed some. >=20 > Well, I feel like there is still something that is not answered. > Agreed, this is a technical question, but it is probably the bulk of > the issue. Namely, this is the beginning of Gerd's email: >=20 >> project from the beginning. Basically, three organizations joined to=20= =20 >> create a new software. The discussion about the design wasn't public. >> I was excluded from the beginning - and don't understand why, since >> I made an offer for cooperation when I first heard from Ocamlpro's >> plans (not about OPAM in particular, but other stuff, but I suggested >> to cooperate in package manager questions). I never got a response to >=20 > Presented as above, it can be summarized as "opam developers > arbitrarily refused a cooperation offer". As a potential package > maintainer, hearing this has an impact on my motivation to devote too > much time to it. I would thus be quite interested to see the other side > of this coin. >=20 > Best regards, > --=20 > E tutto per oggi, a la prossima volta. > Virgile >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs