From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF93A81799 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:28:40 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of thomas.gazagnaire@gmail.com) identity=pra; client-ip=209.85.212.177; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="thomas.gazagnaire@gmail.com"; x-sender="thomas.gazagnaire@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: domain of thomas.gazagnaire@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.177 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.212.177; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="thomas.gazagnaire@gmail.com"; x-sender="thomas.gazagnaire@gmail.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail-wi0-f177.google.com) identity=helo; client-ip=209.85.212.177; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="thomas.gazagnaire@gmail.com"; x-sender="postmaster@mail-wi0-f177.google.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoABAHZM7lHRVdSxk2dsb2JhbABbgzvBCYESFg4BAQEBBwsLCRQEJIIkAQEEAToGATgBAwELAQQBBQ44NAEFARwGJAOHagMJBgSaeI9OhQknDYhYAQUMj1SDSm4DngCJRT+BXYJd X-IPAS-Result: AoABAHZM7lHRVdSxk2dsb2JhbABbgzvBCYESFg4BAQEBBwsLCRQEJIIkAQEEAToGATgBAwELAQQBBQ44NAEFARwGJAOHagMJBgSaeI9OhQknDYhYAQUMj1SDSm4DngCJRT+BXYJd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,726,1367964000"; d="scan'208";a="26988646" Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com ([209.85.212.177]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 23 Jul 2013 11:28:29 +0200 Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ey16so2789030wid.10 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 02:28:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to:x-mailer; bh=coB7r4hWfeMbCZr8y6rbosHPteG/bSh6ZlX/0oIQUZ8=; b=C90zBE3Sg/FDpaXDnGdcC4C63YYqqyLy5xGJc/nc2IAiYzFGCiQV1ONGZzwHmKZbVG IzZ2O4Tm5hJM4ikwri544PyrNaqstMUIrM3uJrmiEoG4l2WVe+2/TPKcBL4fu1S1Zfgd QDeQfNEoGq5Z9wOh5QzpVHaSET8eqyzPkZP+DolrEFYJNDGUC1oKNaFZ/bN1vPKIsxMZ i2NbjcV92jnyjIOfsiOVJf6ICmfn3g0Lo1vn1rH4FH67RkaaHVbgYxmFt3HRPSh2tvMM FYjGo86vzkWVNE3KjT4lhJfMbGXYcLHC/tEnDw15dnUJ5jQEIWMgI15juyZZS4jZSg/o 0Lgg== X-Received: by 10.194.237.38 with SMTP id uz6mr22362533wjc.73.1374571709224; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 02:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.35.197.35] ([213.30.181.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eu1sm4509575wib.8.2013.07.23.02.28.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 02:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Gazagnaire Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Thomas Gazagnaire X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <1e141e2803d9dec6a8231dd4f16dd173.squirrel@gps.dynxs.de> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:28:25 +0200 Cc: caml-list@inria.fr, godi-list@ocaml-programming.de Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1e141e2803d9dec6a8231dd4f16dd173.squirrel@gps.dynxs.de> To: Gerd Stolpmann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Subject: [Caml-list] Re: [Godi-list] GODI is shutting down > There is also another point that was driving me mad in the past weeks, > namely missing respect from the OPAM guys. Given the fact that OPAM is > only a thin layer around ocamlfind (and guess who wrote it), and given the > fact that GODI was pioneering in many fields, I was expecting nicer > wordings, and less dumb campaigning ("we have 400 packages, and you only > 170"). OPAM is only harvesting what I seeded many years ago. I am sorry you feel that way, but I have to correct some errors. First, you= seem to not make the difference between exposing a fact: "OPAM packaging w= orkflow is easier than GODI's, hence the higher number of packages" and bei= ng disrespectful: (insert here any of the sentence related to OPAM in your = recent emails). Second, OPAM is *not* a thin layer around ocamlfind: it is a (not-so-thin) = layer around the dose3 library (used by the Debian tools to manage complex = dependencies), around heterogeneous metadata backends (HTTP, rsync, Git, hg= , darcs) and compiler environment variables (to support multiple switch). O= PAM is build-system agnostic (and could be used to build C or C++ projects = for instance) and its initial goal was to integrate nicely with the existin= g ecosystem, namely ocamlbuild, ocamlfind and oasis (and omake and ocp-buil= d). So yes, people are using OPAM and ocamlfind together, and this is a ver= y good thing -- and they can use any other system if they like it. We have been focusing on the final user experience, based on our the consta= nt feedback from the community and industrial users, and lot of people seem= to appreciate the effort. I am very sorry you don't. =20 Best, Thomas=