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From: Michael Hamburg <hamburg@fas.harvard.edu>
To: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Automatic wrapper generator
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:21:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DC0C572D-A8EF-11D8-B932-0003939A19AA@fas.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040518121147.GA20094@redhat.com>

>
> It sounds very similar to Perl4caml, which offers two levels of
> interface.  At the lowest level you get to manipulate SVs, HVs and AVs
> directly from OCaml [1].  You have to convert strings/ints to SVs when
> calling Perl code (using sv_of_string, etc.), and when returning
> values you have to convert them from SVs to OCaml native types (using
> string_of_sv, etc.).  For some libraries I've written high-level
> wrappers which do all this conversion for you, allowing you to use
> objects and modules which look just like OCaml native objects [2].
>
> Perl uses reference counting.  I still haven't worked out a scheme to
> make reference counting behave well with the OCaml garbage collector,
> so the current version of Perl4caml will never deallocate Perl objects
> (there is an experimental makefile flag to turn deallocation on, but
> this sometimes causes programs to crash).  I've tried wrapping the
> Perl objects in custom blocks, but it doesn't work, and I'd appreciate
> some help sorting it out!

I don't know how Perl's reference-counting scheme works, but I'm  
working on interfacing O'Caml with Cocoa, which also uses ref-counts.   
I've basically made O'Caml incref any object allocated on its heap, and  
decref it as a finalization step.  Conversely, O'Caml objects in C get  
added to the global roots.  I still have to do more testing, but it  
seems that this doesn't crash, nor does it leak much memory.

I say much because such a scheme cannot detect loops.  I think you'd  
have to mod the garbage collector to do so.  As of now, there's also no  
way to safely break a known loop, since decrefing an object may cause  
it to go away before O'Caml can finalize it, which would cause a  
segfault.  An interface change to the  Cocoa wrapper of O'Caml objects  
might fix this.

Mike

> Rich.
>
> [1] The low-level interface:
> http://www.merjis.com/developers/perl4caml/html/Perl.html
>
> [2] Example of a high-level wrapper:
> http://www.merjis.com/developers/perl4caml/html/Pl_HTML_Element.html
> http://www.merjis.com/developers/perl4caml/html/ 
> Pl_HTML_Element.html_element.html
>
> -- 
> Richard Jones. http://www.annexia.org/ http://www.j-london.com/
> Merjis Ltd. http://www.merjis.com/ - improving website return on  
> investment
> http://www.winwinsales.co.uk/ - CRM improvement consultancy

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-18 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-18  8:38 skaller
2004-05-18  8:58 ` Richard Jones
2004-05-18 10:07   ` skaller
2004-05-18  9:06 ` Basile Starynkevitch local
2004-05-18 10:25   ` skaller
2004-05-18 12:11     ` Richard Jones
2004-05-18 17:21       ` Michael Hamburg [this message]
2004-05-18 18:34         ` skaller
2004-05-18 19:27           ` Richard Jones
2004-05-18 20:52             ` skaller
2004-05-18 20:02       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-05-18 20:10         ` [Caml-list] Functional critical section SWAMPY
2004-05-18 20:31           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-05-18 20:39           ` Evan Martin
2004-05-19  7:35             ` thornber
2004-05-19  7:33           ` thornber
2004-05-18  9:25 ` [Caml-list] Automatic wrapper generator Olivier Andrieu
2004-05-18 10:36   ` skaller
2004-05-18  9:38 ` Fermin Reig
2004-05-18 10:42   ` skaller
2004-05-18 10:57     ` Felix Winkelmann
2004-05-18 10:58     ` John Chu
2004-05-18 11:33       ` skaller
2004-05-22 10:09 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-22 13:13   ` skaller
2004-05-22 14:19     ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-22 16:14       ` skaller
2004-05-23 10:58         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-23 19:59           ` skaller

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