From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p3M9iNXL027079 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 11:44:23 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsBAH9NsU1KfVI0imdsb2JhbAClVggUAQEBCgkNBxIGIYhwnlWKdIInhQ40iF4BAQMGhXAEji2FDYUDOg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.64,253,1301868000"; d="scan'208";a="97748480" Received: from mail-ww0-f52.google.com ([74.125.82.52]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 22 Apr 2011 11:44:21 +0200 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15so596887wwe.9 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 02:44:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=f12FM0LnZMPqYypGsWU/UN1J7pQjTJ3EbhG/Bdwb/Tw=; b=V6344wOMdN6y+6/vbAG38BIVmbvuyt9Z0K/6TTcX0lULd5pjlx/54cVnJIQ1rUMmOJ Kv684F0BJBjLv1DxyC+n+WMeNqbsW1xW6C3Xv7BOjEzpMwE6V/TzTQcNfTr/8mfBoznc GRil2xJ2XcyJccTYJM6SjoYd0/uUr++F7s73o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=jZ5pmWXR+G61UX/SlX31g8hK7i9N8OtiwmBTTScMurFU/WQRQKI5Avb4YjzLiPG5Ey DsOm9YPFhpIOUDCxE1qObzy3RkEZBCbYhXY9PJuZqanlVo6NLGAjOWoep+inb61heDhC HPhcJVYsuUKhslDqEaxO3oDcyfNQRzdXu018s= Received: by 10.227.195.129 with SMTP id ec1mr929065wbb.180.1303465460973; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 02:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chello080108243032.15.14.vie.surfer.at (chello080108243032.15.14.vie.surfer.at [80.108.243.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b20sm1649570wbb.50.2011.04.22.02.44.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 22 Apr 2011 02:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Message-Id: From: Vincent Aravantinos To: Fabrice Le Fessant In-Reply-To: <4DB136FB.6050302@inria.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 11:44:17 +0200 References: <76544177.594058.1303341821437.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr> <4DAFE141.7080003@inria.fr> <4DAFF442.8000806@lexifi.com> <799994864.610698.1303412613509.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr> <4DB136FB.6050302@inria.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by walapai.inria.fr id p3M9iNXL027079 Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Efficient OCaml multicore -- roadmap? Le 22 avr. 11 à 10:06, Fabrice Le Fessant a écrit : > My point was just that J.H. has been writting everywhere, in every > single forum in the world, that OCaml is bad because it could not > address fine-grain parallelism, for his personal needs. I thought it > was > time for the silent majority of satisfied OCaml users to say, here and > in those forums, that OCaml is actually addressing their most > important > concerns. I personally don't care that he states Ocaml is bad because of this lack, what bothers me more is that he claims that 1. there are less and less users of Ocaml and 2. this is due to the lack of parallelism. He pretends to support claim 1 with the frequentation figures of the mailing lists, but when I observe those figures by myself I surprinsingly do not find the same figures as J.H. I probably made a mistake when collecting those figures. Claim 2 is of course impossible to support in any objective manner, unless a survey among all former Ocaml users was made. Which, to my knowledge, has not been done. Funnily enough, Lisp users have been complaining for years that J.H. was advertising Ocaml against Lisp in a very unobjective manner on their mailing list. It's our turn now... Why does he still bother reading/writing on this mailing list since the same flamewars happen again and again? My belief is that he is just trying to attract potential customers & users to his new favourite language. See e.g. the discussion "Is OCaml fast?" a few months ago where the original author of the post told afterwards that J.H. had contacted him privately in order to advertise F#... From a sales/marketing point of view, this is all the most fair. But I am not sure that it is the purpose of this list. V.