From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id WAA06892; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:18:31 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05756 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:18:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com (outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.160]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with SMTP id i85KITlY008100 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:18:29 +0200 Received: from outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com (smtp01.nyc.untd.com [10.140.24.121]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABAVY7EPA5K289J for (sender ); Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26698 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2004 20:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vangogh) (4.243.36.100) by smtp01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2004 20:17:53 -0000 From: "Brandon J. Van Every" To: "caml" Subject: [Caml-list] build tools with critical mass? Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:28:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-ContentStamp: 14:7:2221960717 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: CI84cOLHFqh7Zd2QWkwvEFvwyO3T/pIsFsCrOjjLH8711lfFOuBmxU3R4ow9wdnL X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 413B7495.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; brandon:99 amusing:01 deploying:01 doomed:01 lifestyle:99 sln:99 caml-list:01 bayesian:01 crap:01 crap:01 unboxed:01 alloc:01 alloc:01 val:01 val:01 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk The discussion of build technologies is amusing... I can imagine all sorts of wonderful problems I might try to solve, if only I didn't have more pressing problems to solve. :-) The problem I'm more interested in solving is deploying OCaml to a greater number of people. So I have 2 questions regarding build tools. Let's take it as a given that GNU Make ain't so hot. Do any of the alternatives have any significant momentum behind them - in the OCaml community? - OUTSIDE OF the OCaml community? My point being, perhaps the thing I'd throw my weight behind, is the thing that's better than GNU Make that has the most people using it. At least, that's where I'd start looking for The Answer [TM]. Maybe there is no One True Ansewr [TM], and we are doomed to a lifestyle of fragmented build tools. But I'd like to avoid that future if it is possible. I think widespread adoption of a language probably depends on having a consistent set of build tools, at least for all the library code one is typically going to grab. As evidence I'd say that GNU Make may not be great, but it is consistent and widespread. So are Visual Studio .sln files, or those of any other IDE that some chunk of programmers 'prefer'. Several years down the road, maybe the more experimental build tools will gain enough adherants that they might become a basis for industrialization of OCaml. But right now, I think we need something that's closer to being ready for prime time. That, in my book, means it's been used by a pile of people and the results are encouraging. So, what build tools fit this criterion? Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com Brand*n Van Every S*attle, WA Praise Be to the caml-list Bayesian filter! It blesseth my postings, it is evil crap! evil crap! Bigarray! Unboxed overhead group! Wondering! chant chant chant... Is my technical content showing? // return an array of 100 packed tuples temps int $[tvar0][2*100]; // what the c function needs value $[tvar1]; // one int value $[tvar2]; // one tuple int $[tvar3] // loop control var oncePre eachPre $[cvar0]=&($[tvar0][0]); eachPost $[lvar0] = alloc(2*100, 0 /*NB: zero-tagged block*/ ); for(int $[tvar3]=0;$[tvar3]<100;$[tvar3]++) { $[tvar2] = alloc_tuple(2); $[tvar1] = Val_int($[cvar0][0+2*$[tvar3]]); Store_field($[tvar2],0,$[tvar1]); $[tvar1] = Val_int($[cvar0][1]); Store_field($[tvar2],1,$[tvar1+2*$[tvar3]]); Array_store($[lvar0],$[tvar3],$[tvar0]); } oncePost ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners