From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA04060; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:03:11 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04537 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:03:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (vlan1-1.bigip2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i3E638YM029068 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:03:09 +0200 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp02.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.122]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAH3RHKA3DJT62 for (sender ); Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:24:09 -0700 (PST) Received: (qmail 9311 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 04:23:31 -0000 Received: from dsc05-sei-wa-199-182-71-84.rasserver.net (HELO vangogh) (199.182.71.84) by smtp02.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 04:23:31 -0000 From: "Brandon J. Van Every" To: Subject: RE: [Caml-list] suggestion: do not link to www.ocaml.org Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:32:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20040414011219.GB919@complete.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-ContentStamp: 13:6:140943389 X-MAIL-INFO: 135d79389d793801203814c1ad44040514d505143d8d144d09f150 X-UNTD-STORE-INFO: URL:grisoft.com) X-Miltered: at concorde by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; brandon:99 caml-list:01 brandon:99 geeks:01 dollar:99 ethic:99 parlance:01 python:01 python:01 seattle:99 2004:99 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 wrote:03 wrote:03 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 302 John Goerzen wrote: > Brandon J. Van Every wrote: > > > > The only thing I intensely dislike about the www.ocaml.org > > website is > > the slogan, "The programming tool of choice for > > discriminating hackers." > > This suggests that OCaml is a toy, used by exploratory > > geeks who don't > > know the value of a dollar. I prefer INRIA's utter blandness to > > ocaml.org's championing of the hacker geek ethic. > > No, it suggests that OCaml is a real language that can be > used to solve real problems quickly, To you. And I submit, you are a techie who thinks the word 'hacker' has positive connotations. Suits don't see it that way. Not that I'm a suit, but I know in their parlance 'hacker' == amatuer. The less technical people are, the more negative the word hacker becomes. My point is if you want to grow a language base, there are other demographics to appeal to besides techies. > > Don't get me started on the Python Software Foundation's > > utter inability to market anything. > > Why should they? They're not a .com. Python is doing quite well, I'd > say. Sure. A 2% market share can't be wrong. ;-) Beats OCaml by a mile though. Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA "The pioneer is the one with the arrows in his back." - anonymous entrepreneur --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.643 / Virus Database: 411 - Release Date: 3/25/2004 ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners