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From: "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@indiegamedesign.com>
To: "caml" <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: RE: [Caml-list] 32 bit floats, SSE instructions
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:27:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OOEALCJCKEBJBIJHCNJDKEENHDAB.vanevery@indiegamedesign.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406072040470.4284-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Brian Hurt wrote:
> Actually, I'd be inclined to go one step
> higher, and deal with arrays of vectors in what Intel calls SoA order
> (i.e. structure of arrays, instead of array of structures- so
> an array of
> 3-vectors would be represented by three arrays- the first
> array is the x
> values of all vectors, the second is the y values, etc.).  This makes
> maximizing the utilization of the SSE units a lot easier.

At the cost of inverting almost everyone's software architecture.  This
is ridiculous / stupid in the real world.  It's also baloney on
theoretical grounds: for just how many problems do you think it's worth
destrying memory coherence by putting structure elements very far apart
in memory?  If you only want to do SoA "for some array length, then
start over," just how segmented did you think I wanted my programming
model to be?

SoA might make sense if a language implementation did it totally behind
the scenes, presenting a seemingly AoS interface to programmers.
Exposing / locking into SoA is dumb, and yes, Intel is damn dumb.  You
don't think they're dumb, look at their chips.  They're good at fab and
marketing, they make lousy tack-on "kitchen sink" chips.


Cheers,                         www.indiegamedesign.com
Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-08  5:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-07 11:13 Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-07 11:32 ` Christophe TROESTLER
     [not found]   ` <20040607131717.GA12136@gaia.cc.gatech.edu>
2004-06-07 16:53     ` Christophe TROESTLER
2004-06-07 19:30       ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-07 20:39         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-06-08  5:42           ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-08 16:54             ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-08 20:50               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  3:19                 ` skaller
2004-06-08 14:23           ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-06-10 14:43             ` David Brown
2004-06-10 15:20               ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-06-10 15:57                 ` skaller
2004-06-10 16:23                   ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-06-10 16:47                     ` skaller
2004-06-10 19:46                     ` Evan Martin
2004-06-07 21:00         ` Richard Jones
2004-06-07 21:42           ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-09 15:55           ` Richard Jones
2004-06-07 22:48         ` Chris Clearwater
2004-06-07 17:01 ` brogoff
2004-06-08  1:50 ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-08  5:27   ` Brandon J. Van Every [this message]
2004-06-08 15:05     ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-08 16:50       ` art yerkes
2004-06-08 17:10     ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-08 19:24       ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  0:25         ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-09  1:28           ` [Caml-list] 3D graphics debate Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  2:40             ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-09  8:09               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  1:33           ` [Caml-list] 32 bit floats, SSE instructions Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  3:04             ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-09  8:33               ` [Caml-list] The multiresolution business model Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  3:27           ` [Caml-list] 32 bit floats, SSE instructions skaller
2004-06-09 14:21             ` Christophe TROESTLER
2004-06-09  2:57         ` [Caml-list] RE: 3D Rendering pipeline Brian Hurt
2004-06-10 17:55           ` [Caml-list] Re: [Ocaml-lib-devel] " Nicolas Cannasse
2004-06-08  8:10 [Caml-list] 32 bit floats, SSE instructions Ennals, Robert
2004-06-08 11:17 ` skaller
2004-06-08 17:42 ` John Carr
2004-06-09 16:13 ` Xavier Leroy
2004-06-08 17:15 Jon Harrop
2004-06-08 19:59 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  3:15   ` skaller
2004-06-09  4:08   ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-09  6:33     ` skaller
2004-06-09 16:26 ` Xavier Leroy
2004-06-09 17:58   ` Christophe TROESTLER
2004-06-09 18:15     ` Daniel Ortmann
2004-06-09 18:52       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-06-09 20:03         ` John Carr
2004-06-09 19:54   ` Brandon J. Van Every

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