From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA24162; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:52:36 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24498 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:52:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6DBqXEV030391 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:52:34 +0200 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp01.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.121]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABARHVGZA5MPXSA for (sender ); Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16036 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 11:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vangogh) (66.52.236.203) by smtp01.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 11:51:21 -0000 From: "Brandon J. Van Every" To: "caml" Subject: RE: [Caml-list] OCaml as business model Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:01:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-ContentStamp: 10:5:2816430849 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: CI84cOLHFqh7Zd2QWkwvEFvwyO3T/pIsPQZphDk9MRiuqgmPltDyPiXyfXQSlbJT X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 40F3CD01.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; brandon:99 caml-list:01 model:01 damien:01 brandon:99 degenerate:01 gpl:01 rephrase:01 terse:01 strengthened:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 terribly:01 doligez:01 business:96 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk Damien Doligez wrote: > Brandon J. Van Every wrote: > > > You don't deal with OCaml business, marketing, and strategic growth > > issues on this list? Where would you deal with them then? > > Here, as long as they are OCaml-specific. When they degenerate into > general-purpose arguments about the GPL, I don't want them in my > mailbox. Ok, if that is the generally accepted criteria, I will attempt to rephrase. I wasn't exactly terse before, and that probably gets in the way. Here are the questions: - What would make OCaml more popular in the commercial embedded market? - How does *any* language gain popularity in the commercial embedded market? - is community contribution terribly relevant to this market? - under what licensing schemes did community contributions actually occur? - did the company feel it strengthened their product? - did the company make money and retain control over their product? - did community interest grow or stagnate due to choices made? I do not know any way to answer these questions without referencing things other than OCaml. If you want to learn from history, you have to look at other people's efforts, and those are not OCaml efforts. Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com Brand*n Van Every S*attle, WA When no one else sells courage, supply and demand take hold. ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners