From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id MAA22167; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:59:16 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22197 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:59:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i6DAxDEV024431 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:59:14 +0200 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp04.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.124]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABARHSDFAEBVWVS for (sender ); Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7960 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2004 10:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vangogh) (66.52.236.203) by smtp04.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2004 10:57:48 -0000 From: "Brandon J. Van Every" To: "caml" Subject: RE: [Caml-list] ocaml-advocacy group Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:08:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20040713100654.GB3233@redhat.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-ContentStamp: 12:6:1650287444 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: CI84cOLHFqh7Zd2QWkwvEFvwyO3T/pIsPQZphDk9MRhXCMViVOd3JtaQHYuQY5wt X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 40F3C081.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; brandon:99 caml-list:01 caml-list:01 consortium's:01 resembling:01 biz:99 python:01 ocaml's:01 python:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 caml:01 off-topic:01 slide:02 business:96 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk Richard Jones wrote: > > Relevant subjects for discussion are the continued growth of OCaml, > the marketing and business of OCaml, licenses, features, problems, > etc. > > [In other words, stuff which is off-topic on caml-list] I won't be joining. For one thing, I don't believe in unilateral efforts on serious subjects such as the marketing, business, and popularization of a language. I don't think any serious-minded businessperson would accept *-advocacy as the designation of the list. It doesn't look good on a business card or a PowerPoint slide. Do you have anybody in the OCaml community who takes business issues fairly seriously? I'd like to talk to them, if they exist. If they don't... well, languages do have to evolve through several stages on their way to industrialization. What's the Caml Consortium's role? Do they have any process resembling an open source effort? Organization of marketing / biz is extant (if not always successful) in the Python and Perl communities, and probably the other usual language suspects. I am quite familiar with techies who hate discussing business. I don't mind talking about it somewhere else. But it should be done somewhere, and not on some joke list. Maybe it is time to consider whether caml-list alone is sufficient for all of OCaml's strategic objectives. We may not share strategic objectives. I'm quite familiar with people in the Python crowd who want their language to remain as small and unknown as possible. Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com Brand*n Van Every S*attle, WA "The pioneer is the one with the arrows in his back." - anonymous entrepreneur ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners