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From: Brian Rogoff <bpr@best.com>
To: John Max Skaller <skaller@ozemail.com.au>
Cc: David Fox <dsf@foxthompson.net>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml complexity
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:21:27 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0106130810470.25069-100000@shell5.ba.best.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3B262478.F927DF98@ozemail.com.au>

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, John Max Skaller wrote:
> David Fox wrote:
>  > I'm just saying that popularity is a good thing for a programming >
> language.
> 
> 	Recent comment on the C++ committee refector indicates this
> is not always the case. Even obvious faults, especially
> in libraries, can't be fixed if there are too many users.

Interesting that you should say that, since I've seen a few posts from the
implementors which suggested that there was a concern for backward
compatibility which sometimes kept little things from being fixed; the
latest was in the exchange between Pierre Weis and Jacques Garrigue with
respect to lvalues and mutable fields in objects. 

IMO, as someone with old code to maintain, I say fix things and make the 
language as close to perfect as you can. I knew when I came aboard that 
OCaml wasn't like Ada or Common Lisp (an ANSI or ISO standard) or even
like SML. When OCaml becomes so popular that it one of these standards
organizations is involved, there will be significantly less ability to 
make incompatible changes. 

Anyways, more growth is good. If OCaml reaches Python's popularity, that
would be great. 

This thread, while rambling, has been quite interesting. A few ideas for 
writing an OCaml tutorial were discussed, and some contributed problems
that they had while learning OCaml. Perhaps we users should start writing
tutorials, rather than asking INRIAns, as I'd rather that they work on 
growing the language.

-- Brian


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  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-13 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-07  8:58 leary
2001-06-07 18:29 ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08  9:41   ` leary
2001-06-08 10:05     ` Why is Ocaml better than Java (WAS: [Caml-list] ocaml complexity) Mattias Waldau
2001-06-08 13:31       ` Pierre Weis
2001-06-08 16:37         ` William Chesters
2001-06-08 21:39       ` Brian Rogoff
     [not found]       ` <Pine.BSF.4.21.0106081430070.27414-100000@shell5.ba.best.co m>
2001-06-08 22:16         ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-08 12:27     ` [Caml-list] ocaml complexity Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08 20:22       ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-08 20:31         ` Miles Egan
2001-06-08 22:17           ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08 22:18             ` Miles Egan
2001-06-11 14:05             ` Pierre Weis
2001-06-09 19:41           ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08 22:59         ` David Fox
2001-06-09  0:43         ` leary
2001-06-09  1:09           ` Mark Wotton
2001-06-09  8:36           ` Markus Mottl
2001-06-09 20:58           ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08 22:46       ` leary
2001-06-09  1:18         ` David Fox
2001-06-12 14:17           ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-13 15:21             ` Brian Rogoff [this message]
2001-06-13 20:32               ` leary
2001-06-13 22:58                 ` Johann Höchtl
2001-06-13 21:18               ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-09 22:32         ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-11  0:20           ` leary
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-06-14 16:04 John R Harrison
2001-06-13 21:04 David Gurr
2001-06-13 23:13 ` leary
2001-06-13 23:19 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-15 13:28   ` Tore Lund
2001-06-15 14:03     ` Nils Goesche
2001-06-15 14:54       ` Xavier Leroy
2001-06-15 15:14         ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-15 15:23         ` Nils Goesche
2001-06-15 17:38         ` Sven LUTHER
2001-06-15 20:36           ` Remi VANICAT
2001-06-15 14:16     ` Doug Bagley
2001-06-28 12:54   ` Didier Remy
2001-06-28 18:31     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-11 20:33 Arturo Borquez
2001-06-11 21:17 ` Miles Egan
2001-06-12  7:19   ` wester
2001-06-06 16:50 Miles Egan
2001-06-06 17:30 ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-06 18:25 ` Charles Martin
2001-06-06 19:27   ` Michael Hicks
2001-06-06 21:15   ` David Fox
2001-06-07 12:25   ` FabienFleutot
2001-06-08  0:27   ` Miles Egan
2001-06-06 19:36 ` William Chesters
2001-06-06 19:55   ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-06 20:06     ` William Chesters
2001-06-07 16:30       ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08  0:32   ` Miles Egan
2001-06-08  0:56     ` David Fox
2001-06-07  7:35 ` wester
2001-06-07 17:27   ` John Max Skaller

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