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From: Mark Wotton <mrak@cs.usyd.edu.au>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] [Q]: Co(ntra)variance and subtyping?
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:18:22 +1100 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111180112020.27799-100000@hons.cs.usyd.edu.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011116203745.A59514@qiao.in-berlin.de>

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Clemens Hintze wrote:

> Two things I would like to ask you right now:
> 
> - What does subtyping exactly mean in OCaml resp. functional
>   programming?
> - What means covariance and contravariance of types and subtypes?

Not being an Ocaml guru, I shan't attempt the first question.
The second's pretty easy, though: covariance is the sane way of doing OO,
and contravariance is bizarre. (Right, if there's any Eiffel devotees on
here, I've just started a flamewar. :)

Seriously: contravariance breaks the assumption that a subtype is capable
of everything that its parent can do. Essentially, it allows you to narrow
arguments to functions: to use some weird eiffelish pseudocode i had
lying around, you can do this.

class bar

class bar_child is bar

class garment public foo(b: bar ) 
class toga is garment public foo(b: bar_child)
/* narrowing the argument of foo */


class tester public main = let p:garment = toga{} in p.foo(bar{})
/* attempting to call foo method of toga object using object of type bar:
   fails at runtime */


Basically, you expect to be able to call "foo" on any garment, and the
only requirement is that the argument be of type "bar". "toga" narrows it
to "bar_child" and the whole thing falls down in a heap.

Covariance doesn't let this happen. You can actually widen the type in a
child class, I believe: this isn't generally particularly useful, though.


> Regards,
> Clemens.
> 
> PS: Sorry, if my english is not flawless, but it is not my
>     mother-tongue, and I do not speak french a bit, unfortunately.

It's an odd thing: most of the posts with apologies for bad English I've
seen on Usenet have been flawless as far as composition goes.

mrak


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  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-17 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-16 19:37 Clemens Hintze
2001-11-17 14:18 ` Mark Wotton [this message]
2001-11-17 14:55   ` Mark Wotton
2001-11-17 17:50   ` [Caml-list] " Clemens Hintze
2001-11-17 23:17     ` Mark Wotton
2001-11-18  9:16       ` Clemens Hintze
2001-11-18 13:18         ` Alain Frisch
2001-11-19  9:54           ` Remi VANICAT
     [not found]       ` <9t7v4d$gij$1@qrnik.zagroda>
2001-11-18 11:57         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2001-11-18 13:34 ` [Caml-list] " Andreas Rossberg
2001-11-18 21:22   ` Pixel
2001-11-19  0:33     ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-11-18 22:35       ` David Gurr
2001-11-19  7:24         ` [Caml-list] " Clemens Hintze
2001-11-19 12:03           ` Markus Mottl
2001-11-19  8:29         ` [Caml-list] " Xavier Leroy
2001-11-19 11:03       ` Alain Frisch
2001-11-20  9:58         ` Didier Remy
2001-11-19 11:14       ` Pixel
2001-11-18 22:30   ` [Caml-list] Re: variance, subtyping and monads... oh, my! james woodyatt
2001-11-19  8:11     ` Francois Pottier
2001-11-19  9:02       ` james woodyatt
2001-11-19  9:58         ` Markus Mottl
2001-11-19 20:47           ` james woodyatt
2001-11-19 12:56       ` Frank Atanassow
2001-11-19 10:39     ` Andreas Rossberg
2001-11-19 12:21       ` Markus Mottl
2001-11-19 13:43         ` [Caml-list] Kylix and OCaml Christophe Raffalli
2001-11-20  2:05           ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2001-11-20  8:51             ` Christophe Raffalli
2001-11-22  1:42               ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2001-11-20 10:00             ` Benjamin Monate
2001-11-20 10:24               ` [Caml-list] [Bug in an interface between C++ and OCAML due to some pointer encapsulation] Sylvain Kerjean
2001-11-20 12:14             ` [Caml-list] Kylix and OCaml Maxence Guesdon

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