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From: Mark Wotton <mrak@cs.usyd.edu.au>
To: Clemens Hintze <cle-ocaml@qiao.in-berlin.de>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: [Q]: Co(ntra)variance and subtyping?
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:17:51 +1100 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111181004180.6020-100000@hons.cs.usyd.edu.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011117185051.A7607@qiao.in-berlin.de>

On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Clemens Hintze wrote:

> - Covariance means that a specialized class also specialize the
>   arguments of overloaded methods. You use 'narrow' instead of
>   'specializing' ...
> - Contravariance, however, is generalizing arguments of overloaded
>   methods in specialized classes.
> 
> So in this light, your example should demonstrate covariance, isn't
> it? But what I do not like in the explanation above, is that it also
> only refer to OOP and not types. 

You're quite right. I had it the wrong way around. Too little sleep...

> Another explanation I've found, was (a --> b means a subtypes b):
> 
> - Covariance means, that if t' --> t ==> t' list --> t list

With this relationship, you would expect that "t' list" would be able to
do anything that "t list" could do, as it's a subtype: therefore, you'd
expect to be able to add a t to the front. With covariance, you
can't: it's expecting the more specialised type t'.

> - Contravariance, however, if t' --> t ==> t list --> t' list

This way, you can take "t list" and add either "t" or "t'" to the
front. Therefore, "t list" can do anything that "t' list" can, and the
intuitive notion of subtypes is preserved.

Apologies for getting it wrong the first time. It's doubly embarrassing as
it seems I made the same mistake in the thesis I just handed in...

mrak


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  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-17 23:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-16 19:37 [Caml-list] " Clemens Hintze
2001-11-17 14:18 ` Mark Wotton
2001-11-17 14:55   ` Mark Wotton
2001-11-17 17:50   ` [Caml-list] " Clemens Hintze
2001-11-17 23:17     ` Mark Wotton [this message]
2001-11-18  9:16       ` Clemens Hintze
2001-11-18 13:18         ` Alain Frisch
2001-11-19  9:54           ` Remi VANICAT
     [not found]       ` <9t7v4d$gij$1@qrnik.zagroda>
2001-11-18 11:57         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2001-11-18 13:34 ` [Caml-list] " Andreas Rossberg
2001-11-18 21:22   ` Pixel
2001-11-19  0:33     ` Jacques Garrigue
2001-11-18 22:35       ` David Gurr
2001-11-19  7:24         ` [Caml-list] " Clemens Hintze
2001-11-19 12:03           ` Markus Mottl
2001-11-19  8:29         ` [Caml-list] " Xavier Leroy
2001-11-19 11:03       ` Alain Frisch
2001-11-20  9:58         ` Didier Remy
2001-11-19 11:14       ` Pixel
2001-11-18 22:30   ` [Caml-list] Re: variance, subtyping and monads... oh, my! james woodyatt
2001-11-19  8:11     ` Francois Pottier
2001-11-19  9:02       ` james woodyatt
2001-11-19  9:58         ` Markus Mottl
2001-11-19 20:47           ` james woodyatt
2001-11-19 12:56       ` Frank Atanassow
2001-11-19 10:39     ` Andreas Rossberg
2001-11-19 12:21       ` Markus Mottl
2001-11-19 13:43         ` [Caml-list] Kylix and OCaml Christophe Raffalli
2001-11-20  2:05           ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2001-11-20  8:51             ` Christophe Raffalli
2001-11-22  1:42               ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2001-11-20 10:00             ` Benjamin Monate
2001-11-20 10:24               ` [Caml-list] [Bug in an interface between C++ and OCAML due to some pointer encapsulation] Sylvain Kerjean
2001-11-20 12:14             ` [Caml-list] Kylix and OCaml Maxence Guesdon

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