From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA00653; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:09:38 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00714 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:09:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from epexch01.qlogic.org ([63.170.40.3]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h2DG9af01834 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:09:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from epmailtmp.qlogic.org ([10.20.33.254]) by epexch01.qlogic.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:11:03 -0600 Received: from [10.20.33.146] ([10.20.33.146]) by epmailtmp.qlogic.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:11:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:20:07 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Hurt X-X-Sender: Reply-To: Brian Hurt To: Oliver Bandel cc: Subject: Re: [oliver: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity] In-Reply-To: <20030313003522.GB1261@first.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 16:11:03.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[25364CC0:01C2E97B] X-Spam: no; 0.00; qlogic:01 oliver:01 caml-list:01 bandel:01 retrieve:99 datasets:01 maintainance:01 niches:01 apps:01 ocaml:01 imho:01 reasoning:02 wrote:03 optimizing:03 perl:03 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Oliver Bandel wrote: [ RE: enterprise apps ] > Well, when reasoning about data-structures, OCaml could provide > much here. > But IMHO, this area is absolutely a high-performance field. > > And when you retrieve a lot of data, then every little > performance lack (which is not worth talking about, the little > quantity of some thousands of datasets or so) will > cause long waiting times for the application and the user... I know a couple of people who work in this field, and from their experiences the #1 with a bullet delay is the database. They spend a lot of time optimizing their queries and table structures (where you put indexes, etc). And no time what so ever optimizing their code, because it just doesn't matter. If the DB query is going to take 15 minutes, it's not going to matter much if the code firing off the query takes 1ms or 100ms. In code, they look for ease of development and maintainance more so than performance. Which is why Java took off *despite* it's earlier (and, to a certain extent, continuing) performance problems. > So you have to use C/C++ for the next decade there, IMHO. (But I hope > that there are some niches, where OCaml could be used here too.) Java is huge, but PowerBuilder (still), VisualBasic, and Perl all have signifigant market shares. Brian ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners