From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id FAA02030; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:17:36 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA02051 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:17:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from herd.plethora.net (herd.plethora.net [205.166.146.1]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i0T4HXP29701 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:17:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from bhurt.plethora.net (bhurt.plethora.net [205.166.146.49]) by herd.plethora.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id i0T4HJZ16417; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:17:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:20:33 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Hurt X-X-Sender: bhurt@localhost.localdomain To: Martin Berger cc: Chet Murthy , Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml killer In-Reply-To: <40184A2F.6040007@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 crap:01 profession:99 theorist:01 proposes:01 rant:01 ocaml:01 jvm:01 arithmetic:01 it'd:01 pointer:03 wrote:03 redirect:95 group:04 mean:05 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Martin Berger wrote: > > Java/the JVM is not a systems-programming language. Period. Oh, and > > I'll defend that against all comers. Difference is, though, if you > > wanna attack, I'll expect real examples, not the academic crap that > > most programming language theorists throw around. > > i'll have to defend my profession here: which working programming > language theorist proposes java as a "systems-programming language"? > most of them are busy researching concurrency or pointer arithmetic > these days. Supposedly Sun has an OS written in Java. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot cattle prod, myself. I'd rather use Pascal to write an OS (I'd shoot myself first in either case, it'd be less painfull). > > but i guess it depends what you mean by that "systems-programming > language". rather than attempting a definition (it's late here), i'll > point to C/C++ or Cyclone as examples. As a day-job systems programmers, throw C++ out of that group. Systems programming (device drivers, OSs, BIOSs, etc- things that beat directly on hardware) tends to be either C or assembly. See previous rant. -- "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." - Gene Spafford Brian ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners