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From: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
To: "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@indiegamedesign.com>
Cc: caml <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: RE: [Caml-list] 32 bit floats, SSE instructions
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:05:12 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406081002080.4243-100000@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OOEALCJCKEBJBIJHCNJDKEENHDAB.vanevery@indiegamedesign.com>

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:

> At the cost of inverting almost everyone's software architecture.  This
> is ridiculous / stupid in the real world.  It's also baloney on
> theoretical grounds: for just how many problems do you think it's worth
> destrying memory coherence by putting structure elements very far apart
> in memory?  If you only want to do SoA "for some array length, then
> start over," just how segmented did you think I wanted my programming
> model to be?
> 
> SoA might make sense if a language implementation did it totally behind
> the scenes, presenting a seemingly AoS interface to programmers.
> Exposing / locking into SoA is dumb, and yes, Intel is damn dumb.  You
> don't think they're dumb, look at their chips.  They're good at fab and
> marketing, they make lousy tack-on "kitchen sink" chips.
> 

You're right.  The only computations which are a) regular enough and b)  
common enough to make it *possibly* worthwhile to consider the contortions
SoA order would entail are if you are doing openGL in software.  At which
point the guy who is just handing those computations over to his $60
graphics card is stomping your butt.

Forget I said that.

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Brian

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-08 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-07 11:13 Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-07 11:32 ` Christophe TROESTLER
     [not found]   ` <20040607131717.GA12136@gaia.cc.gatech.edu>
2004-06-07 16:53     ` Christophe TROESTLER
2004-06-07 19:30       ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-07 20:39         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-06-08  5:42           ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-08 16:54             ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-08 20:50               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  3:19                 ` skaller
2004-06-08 14:23           ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-06-10 14:43             ` David Brown
2004-06-10 15:20               ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-06-10 15:57                 ` skaller
2004-06-10 16:23                   ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-06-10 16:47                     ` skaller
2004-06-10 19:46                     ` Evan Martin
2004-06-07 21:00         ` Richard Jones
2004-06-07 21:42           ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-09 15:55           ` Richard Jones
2004-06-07 22:48         ` Chris Clearwater
2004-06-07 17:01 ` brogoff
2004-06-08  1:50 ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-08  5:27   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-08 15:05     ` Brian Hurt [this message]
2004-06-08 16:50       ` art yerkes
2004-06-08 17:10     ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-08 19:24       ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  0:25         ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-09  1:28           ` [Caml-list] 3D graphics debate Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  2:40             ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-09  8:09               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  1:33           ` [Caml-list] 32 bit floats, SSE instructions Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  3:04             ` Jon Harrop
2004-06-09  8:33               ` [Caml-list] The multiresolution business model Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  3:27           ` [Caml-list] 32 bit floats, SSE instructions skaller
2004-06-09 14:21             ` Christophe TROESTLER
2004-06-09  2:57         ` [Caml-list] RE: 3D Rendering pipeline Brian Hurt
2004-06-10 17:55           ` [Caml-list] Re: [Ocaml-lib-devel] " Nicolas Cannasse
2004-06-08  8:10 [Caml-list] 32 bit floats, SSE instructions Ennals, Robert
2004-06-08 11:17 ` skaller
2004-06-08 17:42 ` John Carr
2004-06-09 16:13 ` Xavier Leroy
2004-06-08 17:15 Jon Harrop
2004-06-08 19:59 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-06-09  3:15   ` skaller
2004-06-09  4:08   ` Brian Hurt
2004-06-09  6:33     ` skaller
2004-06-09 16:26 ` Xavier Leroy
2004-06-09 17:58   ` Christophe TROESTLER
2004-06-09 18:15     ` Daniel Ortmann
2004-06-09 18:52       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-06-09 20:03         ` John Carr
2004-06-09 19:54   ` Brandon J. Van Every

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