From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA20986; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:51:49 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20978 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:51:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from herd.plethora.net (herd.plethora.net [205.166.146.1]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5JIpiSH024501 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:51:46 +0200 Received: from bhurt.plethora.net (bhurt.plethora.net [205.166.146.49]) by herd.plethora.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id i5JIpQi15683; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:51:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:57:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Hurt X-X-Sender: bhurt@localhost.localdomain To: Nicolas Janin cc: "Nicolas FRANCOIS (AKA El Bofo)" , Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Great Programming Language Shootout Revived In-Reply-To: <008401c455f6$51c5f4a0$9a823951@Pif> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 40D48B40.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 shootout:01 50,000:99 kilobytes:01 productive:01 nicolas:01 fewer:02 wrote:03 fortran:03 redirect:95 somewhere:04 proportional:05 suspect:05 meant:05 meant:05 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Nicolas Janin wrote: > Thinking about it a little more, the good thing with LOC count is, as I've > read somewhere else, in large softwares (say > 50,000 LOC), LOC count was > quite a fairly good measure of the size of a project in terms of spent > resources. In other words, according to surveys, the effort involved (as > measured in man-months) was fairly proportional to the LOC count, which is > why LOC count still prevails as a measurement of a software project. > However there has never been any survey measuring code size in terms of > zipped kilobytes unfortunately, although one might suspect the correlation > between this measurement and the effort involved would be stronger than with > LOC count. I beleive it was Fred Brooks who first opinioned that programmers produced about the same number of working lines of code per month no matter what the language was- and that therefor higher level languages (by which he meant Fortran and PL/1) that did more work in fewer lines of code were more productive than lower level languages (by which he meant assembly language). -- "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." - Gene Spafford Brian ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners